To think 'celebrating your curves' is becoming a worrying trend?

[Freesunglasses]

So many of my overweight 'friends' on facebook are joining in the whole "I'm embracing my curves and loving this body, every inch"
The thing is they are Obese, not use a little overyweight but really fat. The more people see and read things like this the more it will become normalised.

Worrying times ahead I think. We're going to be a very fat country in the not too distant future.
I know it's hard to lose weight. I know lockdown has made lots put weight, I'm a little overweight myself but I will never say I'm happy with it because I'm not! I like being thin, I want to be thin.

For the love of God stop normalising and celebrating obesity.

Sorry! 1% in the 1990s, 3% now!

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No more worrying than people being shamed and pressured to be skinny/super muscular/exercise constantly/be guilted into the "clean eating" fad thay people get really unhealthily obsessed with and which often spirals into food issues/eating disorders.

@Irishterrier

I agree with you OP and you are being brave saying it as it's so in vogue at the moment.

Obesity is just as bad for you as extreme thinness. I think girls such as Jonathan Ross' daughter are a bad influence. I also don't believe they're 'I love myself' schtick as if they did, they wouldn't need to gorge on food in search of comfort.

I've just had a look at Jonathan Ross daughters insta. That is worrying and quite shocking.

I can assure you far more worrying is the huge amount on social media encouraging children as young as 8 to desire to be thin.

Bear in mind that the definition of overweight and obese by BMI was changed in the 90s (lower scores for each).

@sunshinesontv

"Weight alone isn't a great indicator of health.

Obesity has existed since earliest times.

We k is from research that for 95% of people diets don't work long term. Most regain within five years and a worryingly high percentage rate gain more on top.

We need to be pushing exercise and focusing on other health indicators to Iimprove outcomes for everyone."

Obesity has increased significantly in recent decades and continues to climb.

1% of the population were morbidly obese in 2018 but 3% of the population are morbidly obese now.

I don't think it does anyone any favours to minimise the appalling statistics, or to imply that this can be solved through exercise or any means other than addressing the quality or quantity of food that some people consume.

Telling people to go on diets hasn't worked either.

Look up set point weight theory.

We need to be addressing other factors to improve health with equal importance rather than sending people,e to diet clubs with a 95% failure rate.

This is an interesting article about prevalence of obesity over time

publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2021/03/04/patterns-and-trends-in-excess-weight-among-adults-in-england/

"The proportion of adults in England living with obesity has seen large increases in the last four decades. Analysis of data from the 1980 National Heights and Weights Survey estimates that the prevalence of obesity in England stood at 6% of men and 9% of women aged 16 and over with 0.1% of men and 0.4% of women living with severe obesity. In 1993 the Health Survey for England reported that the prevalence of obesity among men and women in this age group was 13% and 16% respectively which has increased to 27% of men and 29% of women in 2019"

To be honest, until I see an entire industry springing up on how to get fat, how to fit into plus size clothes, how to gain a stone in a month, how to look like the size 26 mannequins we see in almost every shop window and how to develop rolls, I'm not going to get too stressed about it.

Everyone mentions Tess Holliday and occasionally Ashley Graham. They are the exceptions that prove the rule. They always get mentioned because plus size models are so comparatively rare, the same one or two are always being used.

We are in a situation where people think size 14/16 are "normal" and by extension "healthy", instead of accepting that they ARE plus-size already.

That's the issue. It does depend on brands, but when most shops offer tall-size, it means a tall person needs a 8 or 10 TALL, not a size 16.

A 14 isn’t plus size.. I’m a 14 which fits perfectly and I’m very healthy with a v healthy BMI.

check what a 14 of TODAY actually is without the modern "vanity sizing". It is plus-size, that's the thing.

The British women especially have a very twisted idea of what is healthy.

Many designers don't even offer clothes above a size 12! and their sizes are usually not tweaked to flatter vanity.

Nasty and judgemental.

in the nineties obesity was very rare
I believe this too, it was rare in teenagers and DC. Our parents were obese or had some fat if you like, none of our parents were morbidly obese, definitely none of my friends were fat, there was 1 overweight girl in my year group she is now morbidly obese and her DC are now the biggest in the school today
there are loads of obese DC now on the morning school run.
I only remember one as mentioned above and she was as big as DC are today.

I'm 5ft 8, BMI is 26 and I'm a 12. Trying to lose a last few pounds (4lbs to be healthy) At a size 14 my BMI was about 28 and after I had a baby I was a size 16 and BMI 30 which was obese. I don't think I looked "obese" but according to the data I was. Clothes sizing isn't a helpful measure. I know a poster down thread she is a healthy side 14 but even at 5ft 8 I couldn't be that size without being overweight.

I was going to mention Jonathan Ross’ daughters but thought I’d get flamed.
They might be trying to send the right messages but they are unhealthy and if they stay that weight for the rest of their lives they will have health issues.
No one should be shamed for how they look but there is nothing wrong in saying being too fat or too thin is not good for your health.

And this isn’t a nasty thread, it’s opened a really interesting and important debate

"Telling people to go on diets hasn't worked either.

Look up set point weight theory.

We need to be addressing other factors to improve health with equal importance rather than sending people,e to diet clubs with a 95% failure rate."

I think the message should be to maintain a healthy weight for your height, a weight that doesn't increase your risk of sickness and death.

I agree that diets don't work. I don't know what does work. Nobody does or they'd be doing it. What other factors, other than food, would help people to maintain a healthy weight do you think?

I think there should a big government led campaign similar to anti smoking to help the nation to lose weight. Britain is the fattest Western country and it is definitely not the time to celebrate obesity /'curves'. There should be clear guidelines what is classifies as obese and how and why it poses health risk. A lot of people are in denial.

It's not a nasty thread so far. Discussion is important, even around sensitive issues. I am overweight but don't feel that it is something to be celebrated.

Mostt people were much thinner in the 60s. They cycled and walked as cars were not always available. I still have some dresses my mother wore at 20. She 5 foot 11. I used to be 5 foot 5 and 9 stone when in my 20s and those dresses did not fit me. Too small.

It honestly would help if we accepted and recognised what a healthy weight and clothes size really is.

That is a good way to recognise genuine "vintage" clothes. The sizes are tiny! Fair enough people got taller, but we could still keep in proportion.

I think the difficulty with both the glorification of slimness and body positivity are that they both centre a woman's worth on how she looks, and that's not healthy. Much better to focus on what bodies can do, and not just in a sporting sense. Our bodies birth and feed babies, keep going despite health problems, do a thousand things worth celebrating. For me real body positivity isn't about someone with a perfect surface (grooming, dressing, posing) but the gloriously messy, sweaty and imperfect body of someone doing something amazing for them and over the moon at what they've achieved.