To think its ludicrous a GP surgery can prevent vaccination by...

[dameofdilemma]

Deregistering a patient?
Dp has been deregistered (without notice or consent) for the offence of being too healthy - he hasn’t made an appointment in years so they just deregistered him as a patient.

He now can’t book for the vaccine (via NHS, walk-in clinic or GP) until he’s registered again, which could apparently take weeks as there’s a backlog (of fuming deregistered patients).

The reality is many won’t bother continually phoning the surgery (and being put on hold) every day and the vaccine roll out will be slowed. down.

@MyDcAreMarvel wrote:
Everyone should be having an annual check , weight , bloods , blood pressure etc it’s irresponsible not too.

What does "bloods" mean?

English pharmacists can offer cholesterol tests. What else does "bloods" mean?

In my case liver function, kidney function, iron, vit D, bit A etc. I know there were more but I can't remember what.

@Oblomov21

"OPs DH woud have been informed a couple of time prior to being deregistered. "

But posters are claiming that didn't happen.

I think I responded to someone else on that upthread. I also hadn't seen the info about the 5 year list sweep, I wasn't involved by then!

But the NHS regs still say that people should be told, NHEetc then also contact patients before deregistering them!

I don't doubt people saying they weren't told, just saying that it shouldn't happen and that I have experience of some of the reasons people do actually ignore the letters!

There is such a thing as "over-diagnosis". This risk worries me more than undetected theoretical problems.

@lljkk

There is such a thing as "over-diagnosis". This risk worries me more than undetected theoretical problems.

Yes. I had FBCs for 12 years and when my doctor retired, the new one said "I can't find a reason why you have these".

I think I had low iron once and the doctor just wanted to repeat it. I said it was fine to stop.

Honestly? I think she's (practice manager) just lazy and taking the piss.

I can honestly see someone swinging for her if she isn't more careful and respectful of people getting more and more ill unnecessarily - only emergencies are allowed any contact e.g. Phone/online and less than 1% actually allowed into the surgery, again emergency only. All routine care has been stopped - meanwhile she's seen regularly in shops without a mask (she won't allow anyone in the surgery without a mask under any circumstances - so she's not exempt) refusing to distance and chatting.

Well that paragraph was a mess. I hope you can see what I'm trying to say!!

In my DH's case he was registered with the large practice attached to the university. The practice had always maintained that it was more than happy for former students to stay are registered but having spoken to our MP and others who have been affected it seems there has been a massive cull of patients and none of them were given notice. The vaccination booking like has said that they can't access DH's vaccination record until he has registered with a new practice and that's why his NHS number alone is insufficient.

@PegPeople my response to you is above. Mid p.5.
Sorry rather useless today!

@CarmelBeach

Dev for some reason I thought you'd be a bit more in favour of people making their own choices.

It obviously varies by area but I certainly don't want the NHS to get into annual check ups for people who feel fine.

But what about those who feel fine but aren't. I had diabetes hadn't a clue, no symptoms at all. My dh knew he had a problem but gp's had always failed him as didn't know his complaint. An annual check up with a new gp was all it took for him to gain specialist help, and a consultant who helped a lot.

I'm not saying it should be compulsory, but maybe more surgeries offer this and people aren't aware. Hence, check your surgeries.

@MyDcAreMarvel

Well that was stupid he should have gone in for an annual check up.

Is that a thing on the UK? Most of us in England struggle to get an appointment if we are ill, let alone if we are healthy and not needing anything (pill / maternity services).my understanding is that NI is even worse!

This is mumsnet.com, so we better remind everyone that we are only blaming Tory Governments. Not the wonderful Labour ones

The conservatives have been in power since 2010 - ample time for them to have recruited and trained more doctors

@Love51
It is most definitely not normal for most of us

This is really awful, unintended consequences will be that men, who are greater risk from covid, have more difficulty getting vaccinated than women, who see GP more often and so much less likely to be deregistered.
There should be a work around, vulnerable groups such as homeless and recent migrants will be unlikely to be registered with a GP.

I get annual check-ups, but only because I have asthma.

This has happened to DH and me. Children still registered - apparently we were both de-registered 18 months ago. Neither of us received anything by by email or through the post.

We went in with our passports + driving licences and queued for an hour. Sent away as we needed a second proof of address - do many people still have paper electricity bills??

Anyway, went back in and finished re-registering 2 weeks ago.

Tried registering for vaccine through the website and by phoning 119 - still can’t register.

Left message on GP system last Thursday morning. Nothing back.

Another problem is that the phone lines at the GP are have 30 mins waiting time and are only open from 9-12 and 2-3.30 - not ideal if you’re a teacher!

I'm in Wales and transfer out files from my surgery. Some people are transferred out with the answer Returned Undelivered. This means that correspondence the Health Board sends is returned "no longer at this address" or correspondence that needs to be returned hasn't and they assume that person no longer lives there. No patient has been off listed because they are too healthy, that's a ludicrous assumption.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Do those countries have an NHS system? Or does everyone have some form of personal health insurance?

Where I am from, no private insurance. It's just a quick check up to see if anything needs sorting. Eyes, ears, blood pressure, weight, this type of thing. Same for gyno. And dentist.

Gyno? Yeah, that's not a thing in the UK either, not unless you've gone through the GP referral for an actual problem route.

Ah. I think this has happened to DH. We moved house 4 years ago and the GP surgery told us we were no longer in catchment, so I registered myself and the DCs at a different surgery. DH never filled in his form to change. 🙄

He tried to book his vaccine but got an error message about not being able access his records.

Annual check up? Never been offered such a thing. Don't talk wet.

@FrankButchersDickieBow

Well that was stupid he should have gone in for an annual check up

What?? And why would you even do this?

I think Americans do this. The NHS does not do annual checkups . Just one at 50 and possibly later ages ( not sure as I was called for one at 50 and was surprised they are offered at all on the NHS) . The NHS also calls people people for specific screening check ups every few years ( usually 2-5) for certain illnesses from certain ages . Eg Breast cancer , cervical cancer, bowl cancer etc

@PegPeople

yes they do but you need to book yourself in, you won’t be sent reminders for men below the age of 50. Everyone should be having an annual check , weight , bloods , blood pressure etc it’s irresponsible not too.

No one should be taking up valuable gp appointments to have a check every year. It's unnecessary and not at all irresponsible. At what age do you intend on these appointments commencing?

But all those things can be done by a nurse.

They send you check up invitations at 40&45 I'm 41. Haven't received an invite. Assuming that's due to Covid. Didn't know it was something I could/should have.

Smear was due last April. Cancelled due to Covid. Noone has reminded me to get booked in again, either they're still not doing them or they aren't bothered if people don't have them.

NHS is not really geared up to pro-active preventative measures, there's not enough manpower or £.

I know @Lancrelady80 lots of us paid at one point or another to go privately back in our native countries. It included smear so it was worth it.

@TheVelvetiser

This is exactly what has happened with DH. He was de-registered without notice and even though he has his NHS number, the vaccine booking line has informed him that he can't make an appointment until he has registered with a new practice and his records have been made available. Apparently there is a slew of de-registered patients and the backlog is currently 4-6 weeks. DH has contacted our MP who has confirmed that this is a huge problem among his constituents.

That's shocking. And completely unreasonable that GPs are allowed to deregister people without giving them proper notice so they can stop it happening if they don't want to be deregistered.

You couldn't make it up, not allowed medical care for a history of being 'too healthy' or 'not a burden on the NHS' !