Neighbours daughter...

[Francescaisstressed]

Last summer was horrific. We are in a middle terrace house. The one side is lovely, recently had a newborn baby. The other side is also lovely, apart from their young daughter.
Last summer when she came back home from uni, it was non stop parties, loud music, screeching and hot tub. I think she's 18 or so. The last few months have been blissfully quiet, but she's just returned home again today.
The music has already started, they re decorating the garden for a party and a bunch of cars are already outside.
Both my partner and I work from home - they know this.
The music is so loud I can hear it over noise cancelling headphones I bought last summer because of this.
Last summer, I knocked the door one day after the 4th day of loud music. They have a ring doorbell and I was ignored.
What do I do? I'm terrified of going the more formal route because i don't want to cause an issue, and also hoping that in the next year or two we can move.
But I just struggle in the house with it so badly. I can't enjoy my garden at all because of the behaviour, literally never used it in the summer and starting to dread the nice weather.
But I wouldn't mind so much if it was a weekend thing, it's the work days at 10.30 in the morning that kill me off.
what should I do?
YABU - try and ignore it and just move
YANBU - report and or write letter etc to them

I'd be calling the police and reporting them for breaching lockdown rules. I'm not sure what the current rules are in England though where I assume you are?

@NailsNeedDoing

If it’s during the day, are they actually doing anything wrong?

You being noise sensitive and having work calls from home isn’t your neighbours fault. It could be that they are being genuinely loud and anti social, or it could be that it’s just young people enjoying their garden in a normal way, and the only reason others can hear it is because you’re in a terrace. Surely noise from neighbours is to be expected when you share walls and a garden fence?

The OPs post certainly doesn't paint it as normal noise.

Not saying it is the case here but can see problems with people WFH ,with neighbours,not just in gardens but noise in general
Normal noise could be annoying if people are on difficult work calls ,but then neighbours have the right to use their property in a normal way

I agree with previous poster that suggested blocking their terrible noise with something they won’t like. Classical music, nursery rhymes, smooth radio, take your pick.

We once had the misfortune to have a neighbour on a campsite blasting out Celine Dion for hours on repeat. After a couple of days of it I turned up my radio and drowned it out with the shipping forecast etc courtesy of BBC world service.
Never heard a peep out of Celine after that.

Report to the council. I think you need 14 days of noise logs to do this (in my area anyway, worth checking to see if yours is different) and you can do it online.

Since you are planning to mice, I wouldn’t make a complaint, because you’d have to declare that dispute with your neighbour. But you could report them for breaking lockdown rules. (Not something I’ve ever recommended doing, but your situation does sound very unpleasant.)

If you are intending to move in the next year do nothing official, you would shoot yourself in the foot and you legally have to disclose you have made a noise complaint about the neighbours and you will lose your sale, Most buyers will walk from an ongoing problem

Good advice.
Just get the house up for sale when she goes back to Uni. (Not now as buyers will hear the noise).

Oh to be 18 again and not worry/concern myself with anything except ME

Oh dear, I’ve noticed that I put ‘If you’re intending to mice? I meant to put move!! I didn’t spot that yesterday!!

Unis went back this week so she shouldnt be there. I like the knocking, no answer do a note. Then knock and note again then 101. Regardless of what you do, its anti social and distancing rude. Your local counsellor can help too before you start the formal road. You can also download the noise monitors as well. Hope its sorted.

On the off chance they are tenants speak to their landlord

Everyone is entitled to the quiet and peaceful enjoyment of their home. If you live in a terrace you can’t play loud music if it disturbs the neighbours. We can’t all do everything we want. If it happens again next holiday have an informal word with the police for advice Maybe they will agree to drive by one or twice a day and hear it themselves and have a knock on

I feel for you OP. I'm sensitive to noise but that sounds more than just 'typical' noise to expect from neighbours - they sound like inconsiderate arseholes.

I would talk about it again with the mum - be honest and tell her the noise is getting you down and you are struggling with working at home etc.

If that doesn't work, book yourselves and your nice neighbours into a hotel for a full weekend and leave heavy metal music on at full blast. That should do the trick.

OP, if you sell up, you have to disclose neighbour problems whether or not reported and whether or not resolved, if reported, so I wouldn’t let that put you off making a complaint. If it’s this bad and you’re being ignored, I really would call the police. Then if it continues, complain via the council - hopefully a visit from the local constabulary will be enough to show them you don’t intend to put up with it.

I feel your pain OP

I live in a terrace too and lots of the houses are converted into flats which doubles the number of households enjoying their gardens.

I seem to be the only single person here at the moment surrounded by loud young professionals guffawing all day all weekend

The more they drink the louder they shout over each other, grrrrr the Australian one especially

I went through this many years ago, we spent a great deal of emotional energy involving police, council, noise meters etc etc but as one council man said to me "the law is there for those who want to keep it"
Police aren't interested in noise issues.... unless there is a threat of violence!

We moved, prob lost 20k on the selling price but boy was it worth it.

@skirk64

Yes, you have to inform potential buyers of anything that could put them off purchasing it, like noise. Legally you have to inform them even if you haven't complained, however a complaint puts it in black and white and can be used in evidence against you if you don't tell them. The days of "sold as seen" have been over for a while now.

It's shit and I'm in a similar position to you (the difference with me is that my neighbour's home is social housing, so it attracts a string of tenants who have no respect for their neighbours). I know I can't complain, I just have to wait until I can afford to move, and hope for the best.

Social housing attracts a string of undesirables does it?

Social housing is actually very hard to come by and usually once a tenant moves in, they stay (they don't have the option or economic means or support from council / HA to move all the time!)

Your post is very ignorant.

Does it go on past 11pm?
Otherwise it’s tough - she’s young and needs to party

It is so horrible. My ex neighbours destroyed my mental health and I'm still not very well.

A polite note or a polite word will not cut it. I think you have to be very firm and tell them that it stops now. Their right to party and make noise does not trump your right to a decent life. If you didn't work her uni place would not be funded (because unis still get public funding from your tax).

It really winds me up. People are so selfish and entitled. If you live in a terrace or a flat you need to be more considerate.

Also please look at moving as soon as you can.

@Crunchymum

100% agree

I am a secure tenant and there are plenty of noisy people around me who are transient private renters since the properties were purchased after right to buy. If they were long term tenants they would probably give a bit more consideration for their neighbours!

Sorry OP but you sound too nice. I was a little shit of a teenager and I wouldn’t have responded to a neighbour asking me to do something politely. I would have responded if my neighbour gave me a firm telling off though. If you can do that while her mum isn’t in and if that still doesn’t work, escalate if afterwards. I’m not saying be verbally abusive, but she needs to see you pissed off.

They’re not going to get any better OP - keep quiet, don’t make an issue, don’t fall out, move.

You are absolutely not unreasonable...but I selected yabu, to vote for move house.

Because I'm aware these complaints take absolutely forever to resolve or may not resolve at all. If I was in your shoes I'd be looking to move asap

I feel your pain, OP. I too have noisy neighbours (our houses are detached but still quite close together and we share a garden fence). I actually dread the summer as I know I won’t be able to sit out and enjoy my garden.
I think you should try revenge tactics, playing something loud that you know they will hate at a time when they might be resting. Sometimes it’s the only way to get through to people like this.

@ThisIsStartingToBoreMe

I managed to get this stopped by playing opera music at full volume at 6am the night after one of their parties when i was finally fed up.

But playing annoying music at the same time sounds a lot more sensible!

Yup, opera or Barry Mannilow (authorities used him in car parks somewhere in Aus to discourage the yoof from congregating , not sure if it was effective or not though), Nana Mouskouri, Whats-his-namey Bieber, Celine Dion ... whatever it takes to disrupt their sleep/downtime =any friends with an annoying yappy dog? When they're in the hot tub screeching up a storm, mow the lawn, strim, chainsaw, maybe burn/smoulder damp greenwaste if the wind is in the right direction prob be quite effective! Make sure you've got the other neighbours onboard though, otherwise you run the risk of possibly ending up with a bunch of complaints.

The most difficult thing will be the timing of the sale of your property.