AIBU to think school children should not be taught that there are 3 biological sexes and be shown cartoons of shagging hyenas?

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This resource apparently originated from TES via a company called EC Publishing. Parents need to be really aware of crap their kids are being taught, much of it endorsed or available from respected platforms like TES and PSHE Association. It's unscientific, its a safeguarding concern and it contravenes DfE guidelines on the teaching of RSE material.

Other resources I have seen from what I believe to be the same provider teaches kids about polyamory and shows a cartoon of 3 hyenas having sex. It suggests that humans were all polyamorous until we started worrying about STIs:

There is nothing in the curriculum that suggests we have to teach kids about polyamory.

Parents need to be asking exactly what their schools are teaching and need to see the actual resources. And if they are teaching stuff like this then parents need to complain to the school. SSAUK has a helpful guide showing how to complain: safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/04/16/how-to-complain-to-your-childs-school/

There are loads of loads of inappropriate resources being used in schools. Resources from Barnardos, NSPCC, Childline,, and other so called respected organisations. The Department for Education is clear they don't check or police school resources, it's up to schools to behave responsible and parents to complain if they are not. The issue is, how many parents on this site now exactly what schools are teaching their kids?

YANBU I contacted my children’s primary school and asked to speak to their PSHE lead to discuss what the content of their PSHE lessons were and what resources they used. I checked specifically that Stonewall was nowhere near any of their resources (Stonewall’s content directly contravenes the governments own guidance over what should be taught in schools). I was assured they did not use any resources, guidance or training from SW. I was happy that what they do teach is within government guidelines.

The erosion of boundaries for girls and the normalisation of questionable safeguarding really worries me. I too would recommend Safe Schools Alliance as a pp mentions. Also Transgender Trend. Both have useful websites.

That video is just weird. Most polygamy that is around in society/ the word that I'm aware of seems very misogynistic at its core with the men allowed lots of partners to service their needs. The women seem to be in a subservient role.

I certainly wouldn't want that for my daughters.

And using history to argue something might be okay is not wise, historically we have been a brutal violent species towards each other. Also if we are using other animals to argue we should do something don't some chimpanzees practice canabilism?

As someone mentioned up thread breaking down boundaries with children is never a good idea. Time would be better spent teaching them boundaries and consent over some people have sex with multiple people.

Most polygamy that is around in society/ the word that I'm aware of seems very misogynistic at its core with the men allowed lots of partners to service their needs.

You can also only have polygamy as the dominant model for marriage if old men marry much younger women (the other older men have already died, since men die earlier anyway, so there are no old men competitors for the young women brides). In practice this means at least some of the younger women who are married to older men are, in fact, children.

I've got kids but not starting school till sept.

I worry about this a lot, but am reassured that the school I've chosen are quite conservative about this sort of thing. We arent Christian but it's a c of e school, not sure if thats a factor.

YANBU. It’s a question I’ll be asking when DS starts primary school. The boom in sex ed has led to a growth of a whole industry around this area - and it’s sadly overseen by some very unsavoury people indeed.

That video is just weird. Most polygamy that is around in society/ the word that I'm aware of seems very misogynistic at its core with the men allowed lots of partners to service their needs. The women seem to be in a subservient role.

The erosion of boundaries for girls seems to be a prime issue in a lot of this.

I'm a teacher and I am horrified by that. However, I am primary and in my experience some secondary teachers are more lax about what they show and discuss with children. Not all, obviously, there are some very responsible secondary teachers, but that and the use of out of school agencies would make me very alert to what was being taught.
I have not seen the video so may be wrong in its message but surely we want people to limit their sexual partners because of STDs? That and a stable loving relationship is surely better for mental health?
I'm very suspicious of all these 'sex is fun and consequence free' supposed education cropping up. It doesn't benefit teens but it does benefit those with an agenda.

Surely it's not a question of what is available but of what is used? There are thousands, probably millions of teaching resources from all sorts of originators, but they won't all be used, the vast majority would end up in the bin!

@spanieleyes

Surely it's not a question of what is available but of what is used? There are thousands, probably millions of teaching resources from all sorts of originators, but they won't all be used, the vast majority would end up in the bin!

Sadly many deeply appropriate resources are being used in schools. The only way of being sure your school is not breaching safeguarding is to ask to see the resources the use. It's not enough for them to say their resources have been endorsed by any organisation. The school itself is ultimately responsible.

People contact SSAUK every day with examples of resources that should not be in schools. It's a massive problem.

Intersex is not a third sex, for whoever mentioned that. And the term is now DSD.

YANBU, op. Schools are teaching some utterly inaccurate things and parents need to make themselves aware of what is going on.

You can also only have polygamy as the dominant model for marriage if old men marry much younger women Hadn't thought of that but yes and another reason to not be holding it up as some utopian ideal. Not that monogamous marriage is perfect but at least you can get a divorce I've you are replaced by a younger woman!

Agree it's about wearing down the boundaries, I'm going to have to check what my DDs schools are showing them especially the middle DD who is autistic very emotionally immature and finds relationships confusing enough as it is.

“Three biological sexes”. It’s just inane. I’d never extremely unhappy if this pish was being taught to my dc.

YANBU

I’d be! Not never

It's astounding that there are people out there who actually truly think people with an intersex condition are a third sex.

Those resources are utter rubbish and have no place in schools.. Fortunately my GC child is very watchful and alert to these things and always reports back with photographs and footage where necessary.

It's astounding that there are people out there who actually truly think people with an intersex condition are a third sex.

They read it on the internet

There's so much people read on the internet and take as fact. Really schools should be focussing on teaching kids how to identify fake news /fake facts / and identifying legitimate sources for evidence. Instead they make the problem worse for them. That's not an education, it's taking advantage at the least and downright abusive at the other end of that.

Parents need to be asking exactly what their schools are teaching and need to see the actual resources

I agree

On every sensitive topic, not just sex

Yes on every sensitive topic. One of my children's teachers told the class that being offensive was against the law the other day 🤦 I don't know whether they actually believe this shit or are just trying to make the class be nice by telling them lies.

how are the mating practices of hyenas are of any relevance or interest to human relationships?

some fish spuff all over a cluster of eggs to fertilise them, is that of any relevance to how cows mate?

fuck me, this stuff is all just scientifically illiterate, apart from the aforementioned safeguarding issues.

some fish spuff all over a cluster of eggs to fertilise them, is that of any relevance to how cows mate?

Just because a video is available on the internet doesn't mean any school is showing it to pupils. There is all kinds of absolute rubbish on the internet, not sure that is a surprise to anyone.

@superduster

Just because a video is available on the internet doesn't mean any school is showing it to pupils. There is all kinds of absolute rubbish on the internet, not sure that is a surprise to anyone.

The video was referenced in a lesson resource which was made available on TES PSHE community pages. They had to watch the video and then answer questions about it.

Don’t trust anything from Stonewall or Mermaids. Both advocated for affirmation only treatment for young people who feel like they might be the opposite gender. There are no such things as “pink brains” and “blue brains”, only human brains
. Non directive therapy is more expensive than handing out hormones after one consultation, but is best for the long run. There will be far more desisters like Keira Bell over the next decade. There are reasons persons under 16 can’t marry, sign contracts, or live on their own. They don’t yet understand the consequences of their actions.

@Erkrie

Yes on every sensitive topic. One of my children's teachers told the class that being offensive was against the law the other day 🤦 I don't know whether they actually believe this shit or are just trying to make the class be nice by telling them lies.

If this was true, there would be no room in jail for the true criminals. 1984 was a terrible warning, not an instruction manual.