Reporting benefit fraud

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Have nc'd for this.

Have you ever reported benefit fraud? Would you report covid-19 financial fraud (getting support when not needed and having to lie to do this)?

Sadly worried about karma as we are always told to "not tell tales" but this family have received thousands in help from the government over the last year and have been claiming UC fraudulently as well.

Before anyone asks ... yes we do know the above are facts. Would you even think twice?

Also there is no need for me to be worried about karma as have never claimed anything fraudulently so that feeling has no need to be there, it is just me feeling guilty!

All these pesky fraudsters taking money out of the hands of those who really need it, like Dido Harding! It makes my piss boil.

They’re basically taking money from people who genuinely need it

Sigh....

No they are not. Nobody else loses their entitlement or has their benefit reduced just because someone claims something fraudulently.

The Welfare budget isn't a set pot that works on a 'first come first serve' basis.

Funny how people who like to make this claim never kick up a stink about the unclaimed benefits that the 'other people' miss out on, and our government does absolutely nothing to ensure that they receive.

@Bagamoyo1

You should report. They’re basically taking money from people who genuinely need it. I’m baffled at how people think that’s OK.

No they are not

If I knew there would be no repercussions then I'd definitely tell the authorities!

I have a spiteful ex friend and cousin who reported me for benefit fraud. They never stopped my Benefits but I know they did shortly after our argument the Dwp asked me if I had any change of circumstances etc

Karma was, cousin got done for benefit fraud shortly after. She was investigated before.
Then she told my mums side of the family I reported her and I’m Nasty blah blah.

Karma works in strange ways.

Would I do it in your case ... probably not.

I’ve done it twice and wouldn’t hesitate to do it again. Not only are they stealing from hardworking taxpayers, they are depriving those most in need, like disabled child like mine.

What about all the bone-idle taxpayers? Does stealing from them not count?

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

And no, I wouldn't report. The percentage of fraudulent aims is absolutely tiny. Something like 1%. I wish more people knew how to or managed to scare the system, then maybe there wouldn't be so many people in the UK living in poverty, relying on foodbanks and turning to crime.

This is a truly depressing post. I despair.

This is a truly depressing post. I despair

What's depressing is people buying right-wing propaganda that someone fraudulently claiming a benefit somehow means that a disabled child misses out.

It's not a 'when it's gone, it's gone' budget.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

This is a truly depressing post. I despair

What's depressing is people buying right-wing propaganda that someone fraudulently claiming a benefit somehow means that a disabled child misses out.

It's not a 'when it's gone, it's gone' budget.

Exactly!

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

This is a truly depressing post. I despair

What's depressing is people buying right-wing propaganda that someone fraudulently claiming a benefit somehow means that a disabled child misses out.

It's not a 'when it's gone, it's gone' budget.

You are wrong. What do you think the period of government austerity was all about after the credit crunch? If too much more is going out than coming in, the government will make cut backs. There is only so much it can tax people/borrow.

Why do you think there is a limitless pot of money? Let me take a wild stab in the dark, you aren’t a net taxpayer, are you?

I mean, if it doesn’t have any impact on those genuinely in need, why don’t we all fucking fraudulently claim benefits?!

@Fr0thandBubble

I mean, if it doesn’t have any impact on those genuinely in need, why don’t we all fucking fraudulently claim benefits?!

Go for it then.

@Fr0thandBubble

I mean, if it doesn’t have any impact on those genuinely in need, why don’t we all fucking fraudulently claim benefits?!

Go on then

Question is, if you report, what do you think will happen to them and will you regret doing it.
Once you have reported them there is no taking it back if you feel remorseful
Karma will get you back when you least expect it.

I would not grass on anyone unless there was some level of abuse/neglect.

No, because I’m not a thief.

You are wrong. What do you think the period of government austerity was all about after the credit crunch?

Ideological persecution, with a view to pushing those in penury even further into the mire, making them ready for the deregulated exploitation that is sure to follow hot on the heels of Brexit. Oh, and pandering to right-wing idiots who genuinely believe that the 'problem' with the welfare state is that some people 'depend' on it.

It was absolutely nothing to do with 'balancing the books', as proven by the fact it singularly failed to have any impact in that regard.

There is only so much it can tax people/borrow

No, there's only so much a Tory government is willing to tax before they start worrying about their electoral viability, and before they start having their donors breathing down their necks.

Why do you think there is a limitless pot of money?

I don't think it's limitless, and have never suggested it is. But I understand how the welfare budget functions.

Let me take a wild stab in the dark, you aren’t a net taxpayer, are you?

Your stab in the dark is not only wild, but missed completely.

Now remind me; which benefit or entitlement has your disabled child been deprived of because someone else made a fraudulent benefit claim? Be specific please.

Former benefit fraud investigator here. Report it. They'll do their own investigation, and if they find fraud thats not your doing its your acquaintance's fault

@CateTown

Karma is tosh but I wouldn't report. I get more incensed by the legal tax avoidance schemes available to the rich.

No tax avoidance available to us normal people on PAYE and we are the ones paying for this fraud.

Please report OP. What they are doing is unfair.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

Is “this sort of thing” working for a living?

I’m not going to argue with you, if you think that claiming benefits fraudulently is OK and that benefit fraud doesn’t impact those who are in genuine need, I don’t think there’s any point.

I’m not going to argue with you, if you think that claiming benefits fraudulently is OK and that benefit fraud doesn’t impact those who are in genuine need, I don’t think there’s any point.

Where have I said I think it's 'ok'?

It simply doesn't have the effect you think it does, due to there being no causality.

I'll ask again; which entitlement is it you believe people lose because of fraudulent claims of others?

You can't answer it because it doesn't happen, ergo, the 'stealing from those who need it' is complete garbage.

I know someone with a council flat who lives somewhere else with partner and kids - is that a fraud?

I know someone with a council flat who lives somewhere else with partner and kids - is that a fraud?

Impossible to say without a lot more information. Not necessarily a fraud, but could well be in breach of the tenancy agreement depending on circumstances.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

Every entitlement to every benefit! If Sally down the road fraudulently claims benefits, does that affect Bob’s entitlement to benefits? No, it doesn’t. If millions of people claim benefits fraudulently, does that affect the welfare budget further down the line? Yes, it does. Because there is an optimum tax rate, beyond which tax take drops. There is a point at which higher rate taxpayers say fuck this, and move country or stop bothering working at their high stress, long hours job, because there is no point, as it all gets taken in tax. Companies decide to set up in a different country to avoid high corporation tax, meaning fewer jobs, meaning lower tax take. People stop moving house so often, because SDLT is so high, meaning lower tax take.

THERE IS A LIMITED POT OF MONEY. This is very basic economics. It’s like arguing with someone who thinks 2 plus 2 is 5. I’m going to bed.