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To think the UK could do with more communal rituals?

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kurentovanje · 02/04/2021 14:27

This may sound strange and will be long, so please bear with me.

I’ve been a long-time reader of these boards and this is my first thread. Reading about your struggles and joys on here has made me empathise more than I thought I could. I think we’re living in a crisis at the moment, exacerbated by but not caused by covid: of mental health, of loneliness, of purpose. People live to work and so many are falling into poverty and using food banks. Community services have been stripped back leading to crime and poorer childhood outcomes. You only have to read the myriad of threads on here describing how men treat women horrifically, whether in a family or relationship or just in the wider world, to recognise the ongoing sexism women face. Systemic racism remains a huge issue in the UK, which leads to poorer economic and life outcomes for particular groups, and is fomented by sections of politics and the media who would rather have those of lower economic means divided on racial lines than fight for their own rights.

Even in groups who don’t suffer as much from inequality, such as the white middle class (a group I belong to), many primarily find purpose and happiness through consumerism, in their next holiday, car, home improvements, buying stuff for their kids, ensuring their kids’ economic success, etc. It’s not to say they don’t get happiness from relationships, but studies show people are lonelier nowadays and have smaller networks. That quick hit of pleasure we get from buying something can often fill a void, can create a perceived sense of ‘social status’ and self-satisfaction, that in the past was perhaps filled with meaningful relationships and interactions outside of the home. I feel like the last couple of years of my life have felt like that, at least.

Because it’s Easter and lockdown it’s got me thinking of why we have these four days off, so I watched a documentary this morning about how Easter is celebrated in other European countries. I was struck by how huge Easter celebrations are, from villages in Slovenia to cities like Seville. Large communities come together and care about taking part and putting great effort into preparing for public processions, theatre events, dance performances, group crafts, etc. And not all of these festivals are religious - some simply mark the start of Spring, of new life, and have been celebrated similarly for millennia. Religious or not, these festivals encourage people to celebrate together and to think about some of the bigger questions: life, death, what sustains us, why we’re here, etc.

It got me thinking that the main rituals we retain in the UK are individualistic ones: baby showers/‘gender reveals’/baptisms, weddings, birthday parties and funerals. Communities don’t tend to get together other than when an individual or a couple decides to celebrate themselves. On this point, my husband and I eloped because we were horrified by the prospect of having to invite lots of people who had never met, and who we rarely see, to celebrate our wedding together (that included our parents, who don’t get on). Had we lived in a community where people already knew each other, we may have made a different decision. We’ve been married for several years now and we’ve also decided not to have children. Once again, our decision would’ve been different had we lived in another situation or country. The idea of bringing up kids in the individualistic slog that is the UK rat race, with unbelievable childcare costs, fragmented communities, the negative economic impact of maternity leave on women, etc. is just not something we can sign up for. Even after kids are born it takes a lot of organisation to get them into activity groups, when in the past they’d naturally go out and play with neighbours’ kids for hours at a time (dangerous, I know, but the benefits of this kind of early independence are surely huge, and the bonding is not so enforced or controlled).

Does anyone else ever think about this kind of thing? How can we get community cohesion back and a bit more meaning into our lives that doesn’t just involve buying stuff? Volunteering is one thing that I’ve done and is so important, but at the same time it’d be good to have some rituals back that unite us to others in our community through celebration rather than just charity. I wonder if it’s all lost forever. All this could be because I grew up in a large town and currently live in a small city, so if you do live in or are part of a smaller community and have (probably pre-covid!) experience of regular, ongoing festivals or rituals where most of the community participate, I’d love to hear about it.

OP posts:
Marmite27 · 02/04/2021 20:03

I remember a majorettes competition was held on the school field just past my Grans when I was little. They marched in full costume from one end of the village to the other where the school was. It was amazing and went on for hours. I loved sitting on the wall to watch. Teams came from miles around.

We had a gala every year, when I was 6/7 I was one of the gala queens attendants. I remember going for my dress fittings, and sitting on a flat bed truck, again from one end of the village to the other.

I think you’re right OP. I didn’t even realise I missed it until now Sad

CodySchmody · 02/04/2021 20:44

I remember a huge parade with floats that went through my home town. I haven't seen anything like that in years and years.

CodySchmody · 02/04/2021 20:46

I've just googled and it does actually look like the parade still happens!! 🤩

poppycat10 · 02/04/2021 20:51

God no OP anything but. I hate forced jollity and family "fun" days and carnivals. I bet after this we'll have to have street parties again. If not to celebrate getting out of lockdown, then for the Queen's next jubilee.

Hopefully by that time overseas travel will be allowed and I can escape.

Surely I'm not alone in hating this sort of thing?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 02/04/2021 21:02

I agree
My ex is from an island which has this
Even though he is a twat I love sending the kids there (pre Covid) as they get to experience a different way
I remember many things fondly

I love London , but I agree with everything you say

GrumpyHoonMain · 02/04/2021 21:21

My area went from a white middle class to an Indian upper class area but the local council refuses to acknowledge this by allowing us to put up diwali / eid / vaisakhi lights and local hall owners put up so many restrictions we can’t even celebrate. The natural consequence of this is our local Indian community then organises our 20 or so 1000-2000 person events 10 miles away with all of the associated party planning / catering business going there too.

So while yes I agree we should celebrate local events more I disagree that we don’t have any. We do. It’s that often these are bame events that aren’t officially recognised for various reasons.

notanothertakeaway · 02/04/2021 21:39

As a child, I went to a dance class in our local church hall. A lovely local woman (probably with no qualifications or insurance) taught us as best she could. We all adored her. I have no idea if she knew anything about dance

A few years ago, I considered trying to set up something similar, but I would be so nervous about insurance, complaints, disclosure etc I decided against it

Nowadays, everything is so much more professional, and i guess safer, but it does seem a pity we have lost some of those community amateur clubs

endlesscraziness · 02/04/2021 21:55

Where we live normally has a lot of community events and I love it. I can't wait for it all to restart post COVID. There's a real sense of community and we've had a lot of fun here

jerometheturnipking · 02/04/2021 21:56

You need to know people for there to be community cohesion and that is extremely hard to achieve in a big anonymous new build estate. There are people on my street that I wouldn’t know from Adam because everyone is at work during the day, ferrying kids to any number of things in the evenings or cooking dinner or whatever, and then the weekends are spent catching up on other parts of life, like hobbies, extended family or existing friends or generally getting away from the big anonymous new build estate.

GrumpyHoonMain · 02/04/2021 22:03

@jerometheturnipking

You need to know people for there to be community cohesion and that is extremely hard to achieve in a big anonymous new build estate. There are people on my street that I wouldn’t know from Adam because everyone is at work during the day, ferrying kids to any number of things in the evenings or cooking dinner or whatever, and then the weekends are spent catching up on other parts of life, like hobbies, extended family or existing friends or generally getting away from the big anonymous new build estate.
One of the benefits of a new build is that because you’re all new you often do make more friends. Everyone I know in new builds are constantly meeting neighbours on socially distances walks or garden parties.
Yellowbowlbanana · 02/04/2021 22:20

Our town used to have a carnival every May bank holiday. It would involve 3 days of festivities and a large parade with decorated lorry floats. It was a major event and much anticipated by all. They stopped doing it about 15 years ago. These kind of events rely on volunteers. Volunteers are required to run services that were previously provided, they just don't have time for the frivolities. People are so busy just getting by that they have nothing left to give.

Our town itself has been decimated in the last twenty years. All the independent shops have gone on to be replaced by charity shops, shitty chain coffee shops and many empty buildings. We used to have a thriving pub trade. On a Friday night people would queue down the road to get in the only pub open past 11. Then they let the likes of wetherspoons in and half the pubs have been converted to flats and the other half are dead. Thirty years ago we had one small supermarket (fine fayre), now we have 4 large ones but the deli, butchers and greengrocer have all gone.
All these things fostered a sense of community and now there is no reason to come together.

sst1234 · 02/04/2021 23:04

What is stopping people? Nothing. If people wanted it, they would be doing it. Unless you are an advocate of forced fun organized by the state.

PomBearWithoutHerOFRS · 02/04/2021 23:28

@clareykb
I'm in the NE, and all the Catholic Club/social clubs here are where middle aged to elderly people go for a drink. They also have a nice natter and bingo etc, but aren't particularly family oriented or organise events. A singer or comedian on a weekend maybe, but that's it really.
The function rooms are popular for parties, wedding nights, 18/21st type things, but nothing else.
Generally speaking, I wonder if some of it is because people move away from where they grew up now too, for work. They don't necessarily know (or even ever see) the neighbours, or pause to chat to people they pass as they go about their business.

BackforGood · 02/04/2021 23:45

I'm aware of quite a lot of new 'communities' have arisen out of COVID.

People who started volunteering together, and also things like the new WhatsApp groups that have started up between neighbours, or colleagues.

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