to expect to have more disposable income than single mums claiming benefits

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i no longer know why me and dh bother, he works full time and i work part time so that i can juggle the child care.

i know of 3 single mums who stay near me who seem to have more money than i can dream of, out every weekend, always shopping and 2 of them manage to run cars.

i know the benefit system is needed by some people but it seems to be a complete joke these days, the wasters in this country are leading the life of reilly while the rest of us are left to slog our guts out to pay for there existence.

no doubt i will get flamed for this post but i have been out xmas shopping today trying to work to a budget then i stand next to these people at the school gates and hear about all the grants they are entitled to so they can buy xmas presents, one of them has even cut back the last 2 months and managed to save £800, it would take me bloody months to save that up.

ok rant over, deep down i am glad i am not one of these people and i do actually work for what i have but it still pisses me of.

They wouldnt, however they would have had a good year to try to find something.

Also after a year, then if they were forced to come off benfits, then maybe they would find jobs that they had previously not considered (tescos,mcdonalds etc etc). I guarantee if there were no benfefits less people would be unemployed.

Like I said though, it would be those people who were really trying to get a job, not those who couldnt be bothered, that really suffered.

Thank you MALO, I have no wish to offend anyone in need.

There are a few fathers out there unable to id their own children having changed so much since they left the fmh.

Karma is a wonderful thing and to all those happy married working couples - just remember you never can tell what happens next divorce and death and redundancy don't have class boundaries

Noname: you haven't offended anyone. I probably have but I don't care tbh although that is never my intention. We all have an opinion and we are entitled to express it. It's just a shame that this thread has become so personal and bitchy with some awful language, name calling etc etc.

If you mean the swearing, I find it far less offensive than some of the views expressed here.

"Those who are in genuine need of benefits have no need to take any offence at anything I have posted on this thread."

I think if you read some of the posts where people have tried to explain what has come across as offensive you may find that offense has indeed been taken and not just by those on benefits.

"Those who have abused and continue to abuse the welfare system to the detriment of the genuine should look to their conscience"

I fail to see where even these people's actions are to the 'detriment' of anyone...? Do you think that if the money was taken off those who are not working it would be given to someone else? Would mortgage rates go down or something?

I think the consciences that need looking at are those of who have posted in ignorance and followed up with the most vile of smug insults.

fuck off then

I've not read every single post but goodness there are some opinianted people on here. My DH (PhD) had to give up work when dd was born brain damaged. Could happen to anyone. Benefits are there as a safety net for when bad thhings happen and we were more than happy to pay our taxes for them when DH was working even though we never thought we'd ever need them.

I thought unemployment benefit was time linked anyhow? After that you go onto IS which is amanged differently (or at elast it was, been a while since we've dealt with it).

IS ahs to be in place not because of the claimant adult- reagrdless how you feel about claimant adult, would you really feel happy abouta child losing their home / food whatever because aprent didnt get a job? What iof parent was one of those who was trying but facng barriers such as 6 month waiting lists for childcare / etc? Would we really wish to penalise them?

Dog, in reply to "for the not so thick work shy how about school teacher"...

I am doing such as this - I have applied last year for a PGCE (POST GRADUATE - that means I've got a degree... certificate of education)

I was rejected from all 4 courses - partly due to being single (they thought I wouldn't cope with the work load....) and partly because I didn't have my uni results then

That meant that from last January (2007) to date, I have had to be on benefits (Income Support) because I can not find a job that pays enough to cover the rent, bills and all the other money-spending necessities of life during the hours of 9:30-2:30.

I have even looked in to subsidising my benefits: I am allowed to earn £20; any more and they take it off me - I am not allowed to posess any more than £59 per week for myself.

Fair, isn't it... that I WANT TO WORK but am UNABLE to right now because of the "rules" and here I go again; applying for courses that I probably won't get because I will be seen to be at a disadvantage for not having someone at home to help share the responsibility whilst I throw myself into studying.

So, it isn't always as easy as just going and getting such jobs as you listed...

Not just to her/him - to ANY and everyone who thought the same.... that we should "just get a job"

Thanks for the tip though

her i am a bitch.

in the animal sense of course

Dog, can I ask what exactly it is you do for employment?

sixlostmonkeys, you either have not read and understood my posts correctly, or you have deliberately chosen to misinterpret them.

As long as there are people who abuse a system then others will suffer.

sixlostmonkeys, I think what NoName meant regarding the detriment of others was a reasonable assumption.

If people did not defraud the system our government would have more money to put elsewhere, also those who have/do need to be on benefits would not be looked down on with the ideas that maybe they are fraudsters themselves.

The vast majority of single mums on income support got pregnant at a young age, before they had the chance to build up much in the way of qualifications aor employment history, and therefore find it difficult to get decent work after they've had children. Added to this, they are often from pretty grim areas with high unemployment levels. What employment there is tends to be in shiftwork: unpredictable hours, minimum wage - cleaning, fast food restaurants, factories, supermarkets. Often, even with working tax credit factored in, if they're any better off working it's a tiny difference of about £10 a week. Which doesn't seem much reward for all the upheaval that returning to work involves when you're the only parent of one or more children, and I personally can't blame these women for not leaping at the chance to scrub toilets or screw toothpaste lids on for a pittance when they could be at home with their kids.

As long as there are people who abuse a system then others will suffer."

Why? seriously I'm interested.

I have indeed read your posts, even the ones where you side step genuine requests for for an explanation as to what you are suggesting. You may have meant no disrespect towards anyone, but between you and me, it hasn't always come out that way.

lazy

The vast majority of single mother are over 30 and were when they concieved (this is fact) - do us over 30 take that as a big compliment?

sixmonkeys I will spell it it very simply.

Anyone who claims unemployment benfit on the grounds that they will work and then chooses not to do so because they are better of receiving benefits, is to my mind dishonest.

That is very unambiguos.

even in simple spelling, you still haven't answered my question

I'm not sure I understand your point, ivy, but I should point out that I'm talking about single mothers who claim income support, not single mothers as a whole.

i promised myself i wouldnt come back to this thread as i find it so disgusting that people who claim to be intelligent articulate motehrs can be so ignorant and rude.

but i did. and quite franklyi got as far as some of dogs remarks and had to step away again.

Dog i sincerely hope you are able to continue having that perception. i hope you never find yourself in a position where you need to claim state benefits and free school meals.

i shant attempt to sway your opinions with fact as you are clearly unwilling to hear them.
your attitude is disgracefull.

your question as to how others may suffer sixlostmonkeys?

The money pot is not bottomless.