To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

I’m just reading about the Scottish dog chew business owner who has moved part of his company to Lyon so he can continue to supply his EU customers.

There’s a nice pic of him standing outside his new premises in the sunshine

Did you vote yes to brexit? Then you only have yourself to blame that you can no longer go on little jaunt to Paris for the day. Wow to have your problems

Shopping aside...I certainly won't be doing much of that! but Brexit has completely turned the lives of all touring artists (musicians/ theatre etc) upside down. Laws have been set in place which stipulate that even if travelling with an instrument on your back we will need to buy a license to perform. Tour managers are not going booking British musicians to perform at the usual festivals with the costs involved. I know this all firsthand because so many of my colleagues in touring and music and theatre industries who are looking down a bleak tunnel....we are all going to be affected adversely by Brexit...there is no advantage at all...even simple music teachers offering services via Skype (some were doing it long before covid) now have fees on income so high that Europeans are no longer booking online to business who ran on such small business models...

...once covid restrictions are lifted, we have all of us who work in that industry scoured the new regulations and it is terrible.

when we're supposed to be reducing waste and looking for more sustainable ways of living,

It's a pity then that our Government doesn't want to set an example.
Our Government in the form of Liz Truss is making much of the trade deals that we have done with Japan. Soy sauce was one item, I recall, which we used to get tariff and duty free from the Netherlands - but no - let's import it from literally half way across the world. Or the various small firms who have had their EU exports wrecked - find new markets in Canada and the USA. Not much there about being sustainable, is there?

“It's immoral to complain because one's DH can no longer profiteer from low paid labour to allow for your indulgence in expensive tastes”

Are you on the right thread?

How was my husband ‘profiteering from low paid labour’ exactly?

You have no idea what my tastes are. All au have stated is that occasionally I might go to Paris

I have also stated I sometimes go to Liverpool by train. Last summer, I went to Exeter too which took bloody ages. Oh the high life!

@LostInABlizzard

Animal charities that rehome rescue dogs internationally from poorer European countries now can’t afford to move those dogs and it’s the dogs who suffer at the end of it.

I am a dog person but I could never understand why people (inc my best friends) went to Spain and the like to adopt a dog, when there are hundreds of them in the local dogs' shelter desperately wanting a home.

I totally get your point and I would also encourage anyone to visit a UK dog shelter first but shelters here can be so strict regarding types of accommodation, gardens, proximity to main roads, no full time working adults, no children under the age of 16, must have experience with x breed etc that for many people it’s not an option. Plus in poorer countries there are even less people who want to adopt those dogs and so there is a surplus of dogs needing homes way beyond anything like here.

I have a rescue dog from abroad but that’s because I was working abroad at the time when I found him. If I’d gone to a shelter in the UK I’d probably have been rejected due to the fact that I live in a rented flat with no garden and work full time. However my landlord is happy to accept my dog, I have a dog walker and my dog is super happy and healthy so for me it’s been one of the best things I’ve ever done 🙂

@tinks29

Thailand and Vietnam are two of the most cheapest places you can visit.

Yes, and you can get a train there for just £59 return too...

“Did you vote yes to brexit?”

You need to ask me that?

This thread is insane.

I think a lot of families with young children would just prefer Eurocamp thanks.

I was going to say similar about Thailand and Vietnam - they are still on the other side of the world. But that seems OK because they are not the EU.

@Persiantrio I agree with you totally, and I'm amazed at the number of sarcastic, catty comments so many people are making! Brexiters simply don't get the point, that until recently we were part of the EU, so travelling to Paris or Amsterdam was just the same thing as travelling to Scotland or Wales, or Republic of Ireland. I also used to travel frequently to Europe, and enjoyed shopping in the supermarkets for food & clothes etc. Brexiters get so angry whenever anyone dares to suggest that leaving the EU was a mistake, and descend on the questioning remainer like a swarm of vultures- but why?? They got what they wanted, didn't they? And you make a very good point that by leaving we have lost so much, but gained precisely nothing!

Hasn't Johnson's deal also b*ggered up NI being able to train up puppies coming from Great Britain as Guide Dogs? But judging by a good many of the Brexiters on this thread, it doesn't affect them, so the answer is So What?

[quote Tzimi]**@Persiantrio* I agree with you totally, and I'm amazed at the number of sarcastic, catty comments so many people are making! Brexiters simply don't get the point, that until recently we were part* of the EU, so travelling to Paris or Amsterdam was just the same thing as travelling to Scotland or Wales, or Republic of Ireland. I also used to travel frequently to Europe, and enjoyed shopping in the supermarkets for food & clothes etc. Brexiters get so angry whenever anyone dares to suggest that leaving the EU was a mistake, and descend on the questioning remainer like a swarm of vultures- but why?? They got what they wanted, didn't they? And you make a very good point that by leaving we have lost so much, but gained precisely nothing![/quote]
Seriously? How us travelling to the EU now any different from before for the vast majority of people?
And the Covid vaccine is hardly “precisely nothing”.

I am so gutted that I am the only one of my cousins who can't live or work elsewhere in Europe (I could have applied for dual citizenship as a child but can't as an adult) AND my children are limited.
I can't bring in products (food/clothing that I can't get here!) anymore without paying massive customs fees and my job working with EU distributors was no longer viable for my company. I think COVID has masked the real impacts of BREXIT. We can't travel yet. Companies are not manufacturing/selling yet - at some point the penny will drop.

@adrianmolesmole I agree about the mass erasing of memory! Suddenly everyone has forgotten that until a short time ago, we were one big happy European family, and it was extremely commonplace for us to travel to the continent & for our European neighbours to come over here. It's as if history is being re-written in front of our eyes! I think it's a form of brainwashing..

I live in a different world to most of MN I think. Obviously I know lots of people do these things, but I don't know anyone that pops to Paris to go shopping, and the vast majority of people I know who have left the country have moved to the Americas or Oz rather than all of these children who are missing out from travelling across Europe as loads apparently do. I voted remain but just in real life personally don't see any of this.

Er, customs declarations; VAT issues; having to queue with the rest of the world and his dog at passport control; visas; no freedom to live / work; no EHIC cards; no Erasmus schemes; issues with holiday homes / second homes / retiring to the EU.

Basically a massive faff for nothing, when we had access to live, work and trade freely with one of the most amazing and varied continents in the world right on our doorstep.

Totally and utterly agree with you OP. Sadly the minions who voted for this shit show are now defending the indefensible with their snipey ' well if I can't afford to go shopping in Paris, no one else should'

Pure and simple jealousy. (And a dash of xenophobia, racism and stupidity of course)

We went to France or Belgium at least once a year for a weekend trip and it was so simple, and so inexpensive - easily comparable to a trip in the UK. Why the fuck wouldn't you visit Paris, Brussels, (and all the rest Europe has to offer)

We planned to buy a house over there with a view to emigrate eventually but now, we can only stay 3 months at a time.

Why do Brexiteers think it's OK to tell someone 'well buy British, well shop in London etc etc ? Why on earth would you actively vote to limit people's choices? Why do you think it was OK to stop freedom of choice just because you were jealous of people who had more money than you.

Regarding Guide Dogs it's not just pets that the rules have changed for. It's guide and assistance dogs too.

It is not impossible to take dogs abroad it is just massively more complex (and expensive).

This will affect the ability of disabled people who rely on assistance dogs to take holidays in Europe.

It will also be more difficult for disabled people to live abroad, families with disabled children may be prevented by immigration rules all together as they are already in some countries. For example it's not possible , or at least extremely difficult, to get permanent residence in Australia/ NZ or Canada (to name a few) with an autistic child. EU countries may adopt similar restrictions.

@lifeturnsonadime

Regarding Guide Dogs it's not just pets that the rules have changed for. It's guide and assistance dogs too.

It is not impossible to take dogs abroad it is just massively more complex (and expensive).

This will affect the ability of disabled people who rely on assistance dogs to take holidays in Europe.

It will also be more difficult for disabled people to live abroad, families with disabled children may be prevented by immigration rules all together as they are already in some countries. For example it's not possible , or at least extremely difficult, to get permanent residence in Australia/ NZ or Canada (to name a few) with an autistic child. EU countries may adopt similar restrictions.

But how very dare you even consider going to another country!

Don't you know we're Great Britain Little England? Two world wars and one world cup?

How dare you be so posh as to want to consider getting away from a bunch on insular xenophobes?

Unless, of course, you want to go to Asia, in which case it's fine...

@Treacletoots

Totally and utterly agree with you OP. Sadly the minions who voted for this shit show are now defending the indefensible with their snipey ' well if I can't afford to go shopping in Paris, no one else should'

Pure and simple jealousy. (And a dash of xenophobia, racism and stupidity of course)

We went to France or Belgium at least once a year for a weekend trip and it was so simple, and so inexpensive - easily comparable to a trip in the UK. Why the fuck wouldn't you visit Paris, Brussels, (and all the rest Europe has to offer)

We planned to buy a house over there with a view to emigrate eventually but now, we can only stay 3 months at a time.

Why do Brexiteers think it's OK to tell someone 'well buy British, well shop in London etc etc ? Why on earth would you actively vote to limit people's choices? Why do you think it was OK to stop freedom of choice just because you were jealous of people who had more money than you.

I don't even think there is any reply to this arrogant nonsense. This is why this country is so ridiculously divided because people like you think you are better than anybody else.

the vast majority of people I know who have left the country have moved to the Americas or Oz rather than all of these children who are missing out from travelling across Europe as loads apparently do.

I'm of the pre-EU generation. My parents managed to take us travelling across mainland Europe in the 1960s. Every country not in the Eastern Bloc. I doubt it is any harder now. Nobody's children really need to miss out... unless they want them to.

@Treacletoots

Totally and utterly agree with you OP. Sadly the minions who voted for this shit show are now defending the indefensible with their snipey ' well if I can't afford to go shopping in Paris, no one else should'

Pure and simple jealousy. (And a dash of xenophobia, racism and stupidity of course)

We went to France or Belgium at least once a year for a weekend trip and it was so simple, and so inexpensive - easily comparable to a trip in the UK. Why the fuck wouldn't you visit Paris, Brussels, (and all the rest Europe has to offer)

We planned to buy a house over there with a view to emigrate eventually but now, we can only stay 3 months at a time.

Why do Brexiteers think it's OK to tell someone 'well buy British, well shop in London etc etc ? Why on earth would you actively vote to limit people's choices? Why do you think it was OK to stop freedom of choice just because you were jealous of people who had more money than you.

So point out where racism & xenophobia have been used on this thread. No need to bother pointing out stupidity, we can all see that.

Simple things like sending birthday presents for her grandchildren and vice versa has just got very complicated. Imagine you are 82 and suddenly have to start filling in a CN22 or CN23 form.

Hyperbole much.
The forms are literally the address, what you’re sending and the weight. That’s it. What the Post Office ask you when you post something in the U.K.

"So point out where racism & xenophobia have been used on this thread."

You're like the government. "We've investigated ourselves for institutional racism, and wow!, we've found ourselves innocent!"