To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

To the person who asked about why my DH has EU quals- everyone in his industry does. The qualification was EU wide and meant your could certify any EU machine.

However, because of Brexit the U.K. body has decided to no longer recognise the EU licenses and you now have to apply for a U.K. license that only permits you to sign off UK registered machines.

But 95% of the stuff DH works on is registered in the EU. He paid £600 for an EU license. They made a last minute change and are no longer recognising those in the U.K. so now he is paying another couple of hundred pounds for a U.K. license.

When last year the license he has held for ten years was good all over the EU.

This is the complication of Brexit. It is all so costly, pointless and stupid.

My point was purely that your timing is very off. Yes people will need to deal with problems in the future but right now is not really the right time to be asking if it's unreasonable to be annoyed that you can't take trips to Paris to buy expensive items. Many people won't be in a position to travel now for a long time if they have lost their jobs ect so to be asking this (especially when you admitted that your husband has had to let many employees go) is a bit tactless

Absolute nonsense. Many people won't be in a position, but many will. Same as it has always been. The fact that some people can't do it does not mean that those that can are not allowed to talk about it.

Do you go around every post about weddings and house buying and even babies whining that their timing is off as some people can't afford any of those things?

@Rukaya

My point was purely that your timing is very off. Yes people will need to deal with problems in the future but right now is not really the right time to be asking if it's unreasonable to be annoyed that you can't take trips to Paris to buy expensive items. Many people won't be in a position to travel now for a long time if they have lost their jobs ect so to be asking this (especially when you admitted that your husband has had to let many employees go) is a bit tactless

Absolute nonsense. Many people won't be in a position, but many will. Same as it has always been. The fact that some people can't do it does not mean that those that can are not allowed to talk about it.

Do you go around every post about weddings and house buying and even babies whining that their timing is off as some people can't afford any of those things?

You do realise we are in a pandemic right? Of course the timing is off when the whole world is currently losing thousands of people a day to a virus. But yeah what a shame we can't take holidays at the moment

@Hoorayforsunshine I consider the referendum a part of Brexit. It's part of the process so leaving because of it and what it set off (the hate crime, the hostile environment AND the uncertainty) is in my mind leaving because of Brexit.
Looks like we just each think about it differently.

You do realise we are in a pandemic right? Of course the timing is off when the whole world is currently losing thousands of people a day to a virus. But yeah what a shame we can't take holidays at the moment

Yeah, I had noticed, thank . You do realise though that we can talk about whatever we want, and when we can move around again, we can go on as many Parish shopping trips as we want?
Why don't you go over to the holiday boards and piss all over peoples plans they are making over there?

On, and since you still don;t get the point, OP is talking about such things in the abstract to make a point about the unforeseen (for many) impacts of Brexit. Its not actually about min- breaks to Paris. Try to put your seething jealousy aside for long enough to think it through.

@Rukaya

You do realise we are in a pandemic right? Of course the timing is off when the whole world is currently losing thousands of people a day to a virus. But yeah what a shame we can't take holidays at the moment

Yeah, I had noticed, thank . You do realise though that we can talk about whatever we want, and when we can move around again, we can go on as many Parish shopping trips as we want?
Why don't you go over to the holiday boards and piss all over peoples plans they are making over there?

On, and since you still don;t get the point, OP is talking about such things in the abstract to make a point about the unforeseen (for many) impacts of Brexit. Its not actually about min- breaks to Paris. Try to put your seething jealousy aside for long enough to think it through.

Might want to sort out your spelling a little there love and thankfully I don't have to be jealous as my finances haven't been affected by COVID. Not that I should need to explain this yet again but please look at my original post, I was making a point that there is a reason the OP faced such a backlash for her comments. It was nothing about where she wants to holiday or when, I was simply pointing out that she probably can't expect much sympathy at the moment.

I was making a point that there is a reason the OP faced such a backlash for her comments. It was nothing about where she wants to holiday or when, I was simply pointing out that she probably can't expect much sympathy at the moment

I know the point you were making, it was stupid. OP didn't ask for anyones sympathy and I doubt was expecting any...it wasn't about that.
If she got a backlash it was people like you who missed the point.

And why might I want to sort my spelling out there "love"?

@Rukaya

I was making a point that there is a reason the OP faced such a backlash for her comments. It was nothing about where she wants to holiday or when, I was simply pointing out that she probably can't expect much sympathy at the moment

I know the point you were making, it was stupid. OP didn't ask for anyones sympathy and I doubt was expecting any...it wasn't about that.
If she got a backlash it was people like you who missed the point.

And why might I want to sort my spelling out there "love"?

Ok you just keep going lovely, I've got more important things to be doing on a Thursday afternoon. At least I could actually understand your last comment, well done for spell checking

This doesn't really sound like a complication if Brexit but a policy the government have deliberately brought In. As an independent nation we have have the choice to increase red tape or reduce it which isn't an option we would have if we were still in the EU.

@Persiantrio

It’s quicker and more convenient to get to Paris from London than it is to get to many northern U.K. cities (and no more expensive very often with the rip-off prices on Virgin or BR). Well, it used to be - now I envisage pointless form-filling and queues.

But what about all of us millions of people who live in the north? It’s certainly not quicker for us to get to Paris than northern cities...

I totally agree with the OP. It’s an unmitigated disaster for all except the lying bastards in charge of this corrupt government.
It just hasn’t become apparent to most people yet because of Covid. The media are complicit in the lies. This country is stuffed.

Most responses to this have been alone the lines of ‘get over it’ or ‘well I never did that anyway’ but What are the positives of increased import and export taxes? What about the effect of that on small businesses in the UK?

And increased animal controls don’t just affect dogs going on ‘holidays’. Animal charities that rehome rescue dogs internationally from poorer European countries now can’t afford to move those dogs and it’s the dogs who suffer at the end of it.

I'm going to add to this that as a Northern Irish person it's awful. Really big UK chains won't ship to us like John Lewis, let alone smaller shops that are struggling with all the red tape. We can't get anything sent over and that's buying within the UK not even Europe. It's utter shit and pointless. Luckily I have Irish citizenship as well so still have free movement, I really feel for those who don't

I am amazed more people are not up in arms about the loss of Erasmus, which allowed our children to have an amazing opportunity to study and live abroad. The EU offered Johnson the chance to remain part of it and he refused, just to show he has taken back control. I will never forgive Johnson and his cronies for what he has stolen from my children.

I'm more upset about how many small businesses here are being crippled by it when they have the double whammy of Covid reducing trade. For any business sending anything to Europe (let's say something everyday like printing) - the added cost and delay of sending it is a massive headache. They then have to workout if the client/customer will stay if they pass on this cost. For most the answer is no so it becomes unfeasible to continue. The current government advice - oh just set yourself up a new branch overseas so that the paperwork can deliveries can be processed there! It is impossible but you won't see many of the uk media covering it. They don't want to talk about the shit show they have helped to create.

I agree with you, OP. FuxitBrexit was based on lies and xenophobia. I am truly ashamed to be British and I hate what my country is turning into. What I find even more depressing is that all the Brexit-related problems will now be conveniently blamed on Covid.

It is what it is at this point, best foot forward and all that. I wish we could use the opportunity this pandemic affords us to maybe donate some of our surplus vaccines to Europe. They are still our neighbours after all, we should be trying to sooth hurt feelings not stoking them.

What a privileged life you used to live travelling by Eurostar just to go shopping! Just be grateful you haven’t got long COVID , and make the most of your new world. Brexit is done and enjoy what the U.K. has to offer.

Animal charities that rehome rescue dogs internationally from poorer European countries now can’t afford to move those dogs and it’s the dogs who suffer at the end of it.

I am a dog person but I could never understand why people (inc my best friends) went to Spain and the like to adopt a dog, when there are hundreds of them in the local dogs' shelter desperately wanting a home.

I feel like we’ve moved into some pointless bureaucratic enclave

... and I feel like we've moved out of some pointless bureaucratic enclave!

We've had a massive blow to future plans. We have been saving up our entire working lives to move to France and do up a property, have a bigger garden etc, of the likes we would once have been able to afford in the UK.

Unfortunately my husband has been diagnosed with a chronic condition that puts this out of the question. If we had reciprocal healthcare we would have been okay. Equally we could have paid for health insurance.

However, this will now be uninsurable as a preexisting condition and so without reciprocal healthcare we won't be able to go. The likelihood is that he will be okay, but I'm not sure we could take the risk of needing a very expensive procedure and having to self fund.

We might be able to "holiday home" over there part-year, but the dream was to go there for 3 or 4 years to enjoy building a potager.

I can see that maybe I've got the emotions all mixed up with the long term condition but we have been planning this for about 20 years. Our kids and their education mean we couldn't really go sooner, to be fair to them.

I can see it's probably the world's smallest violin etc. But still a shame for us.

Persiantrio My heart bleeds for you, you poor dear.

@Persiantrio

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

On the other hand, perhaps the money you have spent in Paris will now be spent in UK shops, so there will be some winners.

@Dervel,

What surplus vaccines? And, when we do have them, surely there are more deserving places in the world than the EU.

The EU just need to ramp up their own effort, which they seem to finally be doing.

Not uk based but what has amazed me is so many couples who voted yes are surprised their plans to retire to Spain etc for cheaper cost of living/make their pension go further are now shocked that this will be impossible for them or much more difficult.