Do horrible people at work ever get karma ?

[londonlass48]

Hi

In a situation at work where had to line manage someone who I suspect is a narcissist or anyway poor behaviour, selfish, made clear from the start wanted my role etc

Anyway this person has now made a formal complaint against me (I have bucket loads of counter evidence and in the end it will look purely vindictive) - but it's causing me huge stress, made me ill and is damaging my reputation by not being able to work due to stress

Do people like this ever pay for these types of behaviours. Manipulation, vindictive allegations, etc.

AIBU - shitty colleagues generally 'win' and people are scared of them
IANBU - malicious colleagues usually get some kind of karma

Any good stories. Feel so low. TIA

I do hope so

Not in my experience!

They tend to move up the ladder, sadly. The people above them are too cowardly to deal with them so move them onwards and upwards.

I hope things get better for you, your situation sounds awful and I’m so sorry you are having to go through it

No. I just console myself that I wouldn't want to have their personality.

Horrible people often get promoted.

I believe in karma

But I also believe for some reason I have everyone's bad karma.

I literally have the worst luck ever :(

I’m hoping so. 🤞🏻

Ime they are usually first out the door when there's a round of redundancies.

Well my new boss 20 years back who tried to fire everyone in the existing team when she arrived then overworked them til they left or went to tribunal died v young when I looked her up. She'd also told massive lies on her CV re her qualifications & professional body membership which I told people at the time but I was ignored by the people above her. She cost them a huge amount at tribunals because the people she overworked were HR so knew their stuff. Also my ex 6th form Headmaster who got done for images of boys as young as 7 on his PC also died young at 56. His gf stuck by him & they moved to her home country Germany after he was released. So he had a year or 2 of freedom first.

I've had this too and although you think you're dealing with it in isolation, you can bet you're bottom dollar that they will have shown their true colours to many others too.
Depends if anyone has the guts to pull them up on it, as a PP says, sometimes weak people find it's easier to avoid confronting them.

No. They usually get a big fat payoff, go quietly and any wrongdoings are swept under the carpet.

The woman who bullied me out of my job, then did the same to my replacement, and her replacement (who had a breakdown) is still there and still recruiting. The company is one of those darlings of the tech industry who talks about diversity and happy-clappy everything but the reality is they can be shits. There is no sign that they think the common problem might be her rather than the string of departures.

I had a manager who I challenged over him speaking to me like shit. I said "I don't appreciate how you're speaking to me during this conversation" said "it's not up to me what a junior member of staff appreciates" and carried on. It was on a recorded call. He was sacked the following day. Apparently the nail in the coffin. Hold out op, they'll get what's coming to them.

No, horrible people generally move up.

One reason is that when there is conflict in a workplace they tend to remain calm and continue performing while others get distressed and upset , go off sick etc.

The person who caused the conflict carries on performing, thus looking reliable during workplace ‘drama.’

The woman who bullied me out of a job and who had recruited and bullied out a series of my predecessors certainly got her come uppance. Only because I complained to our new head office though. She had previously been protected by her manager, but the company were bought out. After they heard what I had to say( and there were other similar complaints) they invited her to reapply for her job then gave it to someone else. She was a vile racist uncouth monster.

Yes a woman who bullied me out of my job was escorted from the premises some months after I left!
It seemed she wanted rid of me to hide her wrong doings!!

Not in my experience, no.

Karma isn’t a “thing” otherwise you must accept you’re getting the shit treatment for some wrong you committed yourself in the past ( before we get into children with cancer). I do believe in “ you reap what you sow” though which is a bit different. Whether someone gets the treatment they deserve for being a bitch / shit depends I think on whether they get results and who they are shitty to. Bosses are obviously willing to turn a blind eye if someone is making them money or performing well. That’s what it comes down to usually.

Eventually I think it does but it takes a lot longer than it should. A woman I worked with who systematically bullied any younger woman who worked for her, is now back at the bottom of the career tree when most of us have moved on and upwards but it took a long time for justice to happen.

Unfortunately I agree with others who have said that they move up. I thought one of my colleagues was a bit all over the place and highly strung until our manager started using all the same tactics on me that he used on her. I've already handed in my notice as I won't put up with it. There's no point in complaining as most of the tactics are straight from the play book of the higher manager. Counting down the days to leaving and being free of the narc.

No. Karma isn't real.

I’ve found the ones who kick off get away with shit. The ones who are compliant get the shit. It’s all bollocks and bloody annoying

It depends.
If they are in a higher role, then no.
If they are easily replaceable, then they do eventually get dealt with and normally leave of their own accord.
IME, anyway.

Not much consolation but I always think they've got to live with themselves and live with people thinking they are dreadful. They generally move on and upset others elsewhere .

No I don't think they do pay - not generally anyway. A lot of the people they victimise believe that HR will somehow help them - actually HR are only there to protect the company and prevent any legal action. They also know that people like that will often take them to industrial tribunal or make counter-complaints so they will try and pacify rather than manage out. In my experience anyway. Sorry you are going through this OP.