Do horrible people at work ever get karma ?

[londonlass48]

Hi

In a situation at work where had to line manage someone who I suspect is a narcissist or anyway poor behaviour, selfish, made clear from the start wanted my role etc

Anyway this person has now made a formal complaint against me (I have bucket loads of counter evidence and in the end it will look purely vindictive) - but it's causing me huge stress, made me ill and is damaging my reputation by not being able to work due to stress

Do people like this ever pay for these types of behaviours. Manipulation, vindictive allegations, etc.

AIBU - shitty colleagues generally 'win' and people are scared of them
IANBU - malicious colleagues usually get some kind of karma

Any good stories. Feel so low. TIA

Horrible people test the water to see if they'll get pushback, the person who pushes back against them gets targeted. That acts as a warning to anyone else who was thinking of standing up to them.
If management doesn't step in and get rid, they thrive, surrounded by people who wont cross them.

No

@Zoorhik

I was got rid of by my female boss when I was very young for reporting her then boyfriend for assault. Since then, in all subsequent jobs, any time anyone has displayed bullying behaviour towards me I have challenged them. It is wonderfully rewarding because they don’t expect it. It’s probably helped that I have Aspergers (only diagnosed in my 50s) and cannot tolerate unfairness or dishonesty.

I had similar.

Worked for a tech company that was mostly made up of white middle-aged males. I was bullied by 2 peers for being a non-believer, they were Christians. I filed a grievance but it got brushed under the carpet and the bullying continued. Then like you Zoorhik, I eventually took it up a level and started challenging them but it then got proper nasty. All 3 of us get called into the CEO's office and we each gave statements and motives etc. The end result was: one of them got sacked, the other resigned not long afterwards and I carried on regardless.

The karma in this is me checking the Facebook / LinkedIn profiles of these 2 cretins. The one that got sacked hasn't been employed for the last 10 years and is sponging off his wife! The one who resigned started his own business which lasted for about 2 years and then it fizzled out.

In my experience, they always get promoted and form a little clique!

Good luck OP, hope you experience differently!

@ElMacchiato

Ime they are usually first out the door when there's a round of redundancies.

Yep this is true. My boss of 20 years ago came to where I worked with one redundancy already behind her. I was told by someone who knew her previously that she had poison running through her veins instead of blood. I left after six years of hell from her. She was made redundant a couple of years later. Funnily enough the next two jobs she had she was also made redundant from.

Nobody, nobody who makes others feel like shit is a happy person. They hate themselves or are very insecure within themselves. And that is ultimately their karma.

I once worked in s school where i was treated appaulingly. Said school was in the news for teaching the wrong gcse syllabus...in my department. I did smile.

There was a covert scapegoating narcissist at my work a few years back. She was lovely to everybody except me and as cold as ice to me. Really bizarre. She couldn't have disliked me that much as we hadn't exchanged any conflicting views. I think she was afraid that other people would like me tbh. She really did her level best to push me to the outside of any group, any conversation, any work coffee, any anything, she wanted me out of it, on the edge looking in. She got off on that. And she loved that she could do that and everybody else thought she was lovely. I guess it made her feel powerful.

She kissed up. She kicked down. It was all a huge lesson for me. Never encountered anybody with such a ''sweet'' mask who was such a passive aggressive bully. She left luckily. She got a better job. Then something awful happened to her. (Not a sexual assault because I wouldn't have wished that on her) but she had a bad accident. It took her a long time to recover and she was off work with no pay.

I cannot say this in real life though as people think IM THE BITCH. But yeh, she was an absolute wagon and the universe delivered!

I was so glad I didn't have to deal with my horrible manager for long. She was the type of person who was nice to your face but bitched about you behind your back. I was hired as her assistant in a small family run company. Turned out I was hired to do both our jobs whilst she sat with her feet up and vaped when the owners weren't around. I struggled to do both our jobs, even though I tried implementing improvements into our roles.

After 7 weeks I was fired as I wasn't fulfilling the role I was hired for. Work wasn't being completed and she told the owners it was me not pulling my weight while she covered for me. I was upset to be fired, but at the same time relieved as trying to do 2 jobs was making me ill.

Friend of mine worked for the same company and gleefully told me about 6 months after I was fired the horrible manager got sacked. The owners found out it was her not completing the work. Work I had started 6 months earlier had not been completed or filed with the correct regulatory authority in time. Poor friend had to take over her role and correct all her mistakes (there were a lot) but everyone in the office was happy she no longer worked there.

Not in my experience sadly. They always seem to come out on top as they also do in life. It's very depressing.

No Karma does not always work. Which is why finding a way to take revenge yourself can be soooo satisfying.

An ex colleague of mine was eventually demoted once her utter two-facedness and lack of actual contribution was observed. She was eventually frozen out of all projects as no one wanted to work with her, thus making her own role redundant. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person

worked for me. my manager treated me like shit when I fell pregnant and pretty much gave away my job when on mat leave. I came back to doing nothing and to find a new volunteer had replaced me in succesion plans.
Put up with it for 18 months, got witnesses to his treatment of me/the shitty way he spoke to me/setting me sales targets when my job title was administrative. Got signed off with stress, then spoke to ACAS. I raised a formal grievance with the board, went right above his head. He had the audacity to demand to see my grievance before the investigation-totally against policy- as apparently, I 'refused to allow my work to be measured'. I kept a copy of that email.

The Board found in my favour despite his seniority. He retired in a fit of temper and my work went from strength to strength and has been amazing since.
He lives fairly local, so I get to smile and wave cheerily at him.

Evil male manager. Took a huge huge dislike to me. God knows why. He made lots of snide comments to me but the worst was he hoped the baby died when I was pregnant because that might make me leave. He dated a few women in the office and apparently was awful to them. I came back after mat leave and he was still swaggering around until he was called into the managers office and fired for gross midconduct for misappropriating client funds. He then couldnt get another job and became a massive alcoholic. I meanwhile retrained and now have a great job with wonderful colleagues.

The scary thing is I haven't seen him in about 15 years but we have a mutual friend. About a year ago he asked of we were still in touch and when she asked him why, he said because he was hoping I was dead.

I realised then what a bona fide nutter he was and sought him out on every social media platform so I could block him. To have that level of hatred for someone who has done nothing wrong and whom you havent seen in over a decade is extremely sinister in my eyes

Not in my experience. It took ten years to get rid of my nightmare colleague, with endless complaints from multiple colleagues ignored and my manager turning a blind eye to her bad behaviour as he was too scared to challenge her. She was eventually asked to leave and given a fat payoff. Now in a more senior role till the same thing happens there. (She never stayed at any other job long, not until she got lucky with my spineless manager). I wish karma were true, I just have to content myself with the fact that she has to wake up each morning and be her. No thanks!

Not in my experience. It took ten years to get rid of my nightmare colleague, with endless complaints from multiple colleagues ignored and my manager turning a blind eye to her bad behaviour as he was too scared to challenge her.

Sounds like my situation, utterly incompetent employee, my boss was too scared to get rid/start procedures, then a new boss came in and promptly started proceedings. Employee made multiple complaints about me when all I did was try to support, then they took off loads of time, a whole year. The new boss sacked her.

i worked for a ladies clothing store when i was 19, i got on with everyone but hated the standing around, i offered to do the fitting room as the manager had said they had a lot of stock going missing, i was strict about how many items you could take in, we did not have security tags at that time, the person who used to do it would leave the items unzipped, unbuttoned etc making it more difficult for the other staff to put back out, she took a dislike like to me and would call me names and try to rile me, she would get more annoyed when i did not rise to the bait, she made the mistake of being very verbal and nasty while i was cleaning the changing room only to find that the manager was behind one of the curtains trying on some new dresses that had arrived, she was given a written warning and i was asked if i wanted to make a formal complaint, she was standing beside me and i just looked at her and said, it's not worth it, i did tell her to watch her mouth as someone else might not be as easy going as i was.

I think it depends but no sadly the majority are allowed to continue getting away with it. I don’t know what we can do or how we can change it.

There’s always at least one isn’t there.

Yes in my expert but it usually takes so long that you don’t care any more.

Experience

The devil looks after his own.

Nope, not in my experience. They usually get managed up!

Ooo timely thread. I woke up this morning, beautiful day. Went to work and it looks like I may be potentially being engineered out of my role. So interesting. Not sure whether to wait for the cards to be laid out or just jump ship.

I think unfortunately in the UK we have created a cultural situation where narcissists and psychopaths thrive and not only at work. In my experience sadly they go all the way to the top, tossing ruined people left right and centre as they go ☹️

They rise up but, eventually, they run into bigger, badder people than them - and they are made to feel every bit as small as they've made others feel. It's a perk of being senior management, dolling out the karma to those you know have trod on others before you encountered them.