Do horrible people at work ever get karma ?

[londonlass48]

Hi

In a situation at work where had to line manage someone who I suspect is a narcissist or anyway poor behaviour, selfish, made clear from the start wanted my role etc

Anyway this person has now made a formal complaint against me (I have bucket loads of counter evidence and in the end it will look purely vindictive) - but it's causing me huge stress, made me ill and is damaging my reputation by not being able to work due to stress

Do people like this ever pay for these types of behaviours. Manipulation, vindictive allegations, etc.

AIBU - shitty colleagues generally 'win' and people are scared of them
IANBU - malicious colleagues usually get some kind of karma

Any good stories. Feel so low. TIA

We need the equivalent of 'everyone invited' to exposing toxic teams in large organisations ..

My husbands lovely manager retired and was replaced by a lazy useless idiot. For about 2 years Husband and several other people would talk to the bosses with their concerns, but nothing was ever done about it. Idiot made some disgusting comments about one of the girls in the team, and another person in the team marched to the bosses and said he goes, or I go! An investigation took place, idiot was demoted and put on a final written warning for 12 months. Idiot man had written off his nice posh car several weeks before and was looking at buying another nice posh car to replace it. He turned up with a secondhand Ford mondeo 😂😂😂. My husband was promoted in to idiot mans role 😬

I was bullied out of my job. New colleague told me they wanted my job and did everything underhand in their power to get it. They got promoted, and everyone fell for whatever they told them and they also elbowed out my replacement.

I don't believe in karma. In my experience the back stabbers, bitches, and Queen bees get the rewards.

I hope so OP. Sending hugs and . It truly is awful when that sort of thing is happening at work

My hideous, bullying line manager who arrived as the golden boy and seemed untouchable was first out the door with the restructure. Seemed that less qualified, less ‘successful’ colleagues got the new positions and not one senior manager recommended him.
He was furious. It’s was lovely to see him get the boot.
I do think that if you don’t treat people they way you would like to be treated then it will
Always come back and bite you in the arse, even if it takes a while.

I worked for headteacher who was the most unpleasant person I’ve ever met in my life, a proper full blown narcissistic bully who made her staffs lives hell. She was eventually sacked for gross misconduct. Basically everyone hated her so much that when she made a mistake they couldn’t wait to grass her up for it and that was her downfall. I like to think it’s a kind of karma,

Takes a long time.
Bitch bullied me out of a job I loved. I had never ever been bullied before.
She slept with a senior manager (she had done that at a previous firm).
I was the first of 7 people to file a grievance and leave.
She left about 6 years after me. New corporate firm.
She was dismissed for sexual harassment after making a pass at a Senior Manager.

@HunterHearstHelmsley

They do eventually. You just have to play the long game. I've managed to outlast the women that tried to bully me.

Am working on this ^^

I used to work with a lady who was married with kids
She was the most two faced,spiteful and nasty person I’ve ever met
Sweetness and light to your face but would stab you in the back without blinking
Of course she made sure she got her feet under the table with the bosses-they loved her
She stabbed me in the back so I stopped making the effort and just avoided her unless I really had to speak to her
She flew up the ladder at work and by god did we all know about it-she really lorded it up over everyone and rubbed it in everyone’s faces
Anyway,lockdown kicked in and we where all off for months so I didn’t see her
We went back and it took me a few weeks to realise that I hadn’t worked any shifts with her but put it down to just being on the early shift v’s her late one
Nope-it turns out she’s left without giving notice-she just didn’t show up one day
Her husband had not only being having an affair behind her back-he’d had a whole other family!
Knocking off his other woman-and had kids with both women-neither knew about the other
She’s lost everything-her home,her marriage,her car and her job (she’s moved to the other side of the country)
I really wouldn’t wish it on anyone,but I nearly lost my job and my mental health due to her so I’d say karma really worked it’s magic this time

I had a work colleague who I considered a close friend for 3+ years. Regularly met up outside work for coffee/nights out, messaged often etc. Found out they'd been slagging me off to other colleagues and bosses. Slagged the bosses off to me said how they could do a better job etc.

Moved elsewhere within the company on a promotion. Is now being managed out of the business into a different arm of the company to a massive demotion. Turns out they'd upset someone in the new job and wasn't up to the job either.

Couldn't help but feel a little smug when I found out. All that talk of 'I'm gonna show the boss how to run the business properly'.

A previous boss was an absolute cunt. He made my life a misery and was the reason I was signed off for 8 weeks before I eventually handed my notice in.

After I left that job, old colleagues used to text me to tell me he was doing what he did to them, but worse, and how they wish they could do what I did.

He was made redundant last year. And it didn't make me feel particularly happy. I felt sorry for him, actually.

I don't think there is karma. If you look at some of the most successful business leaders ever, they've sometimes been awful/horrible to work with.

Sadly, as long as the behavior is legal, and delivers results, then it continues in many (but not companies)

There used to be a small gang of bullies in my workplace. It consisted of a clique of women and their two male managers. One of the managers was narcissistic and easily manipulated by the clique’s flattery. He showed extreme favouritism towards his harem.

The other department members had to put up with being ostracised, being disciplined/sacked for minor issues, having much heavier workloads than their favoured colleagues, and not even being given the chance to apply for promotion. The other manager was also a weak man and he took the line of least resistance.

Most of the clique have left over the last few years, or been made redundant, but one has been promoted into a senior role, despite being one of the worst bullies of the lot and lazy to boot. The two male managers are long gone, however and working in poorly-paid manual jobs. The game they thought they were playing, wasn’t the one their “team mates” were playing at all.

I don't think Karma does come back but I will say that I have been slightly cheered in recent years because for the first time, I have seen someone actually experience consequences.

My boss 10 years ago was an absolute bastard. Everyone hated him. He was incredibly demanding, unreasonable etc etc, not just to the people he hated (like me) but also to the people he liked. Ironically the people he liked were the first ones to leave because they couldn't take the pressure. I eventually left with a generous pay out and he just continued to get promoted and promoted. Other people continued to leave, including one woman who landed up being off sick with stress because of him for months. Those who stayed just tried to avoid him, which they could do up to a point because he kept getting promoted because the CEO loved him, not least because he'd do the CEO's dirty work. HR were clearly concerned about this man's behaviour (hence my pay out, and, I suspect, the woman after me) but they could do nothing.

Then a new CEO came along and suddenly this guy was leaving, supposedly at his own request. He went off to work for another big firm but after about 18 months he left there too.

Hilariously, he's now STILL out of work. Because as it turns out, his reputation is so bad that no one is willing to hire him. I spoke with a woman who told me he'd contacted her for a networking coffee which she'd had. She said he was charming and lovely, but when she asked around, she got such terrible feedback she'd never gone back to him.

So sometimes, just sometimes, it does seem to come back to bite them, even if it takes years.

Oh, and I absolutely believe that many of these sort of people are deeply deeply insecure. It took me years to understand why he hated me so much - it was because I understood the subject matter so much better and was respected and liked by the internal clients. The irony of this is that I was HIRED as a subject matter expert. In his role, my level of subject expertise would be considered a bonus, but in no way a requirement. In fact, in previous and subsequent jobs, that is generally how my bosses/clients pitch me to their clients - as the expert who can translate the stuff they're doing for others, including my bosses.

If I worked for an accounting firm, I'd be the highly specialised expert in some obscure element of tax law, that partners bring in to dazzle specific clients at specific times, but who would be unlikely to ever actually make partner myself because my expertise is too niche (and because, by nature of being this level of specialist, I would have no desire to be partner because I don't want to do all the other stuff).

@GCAcademic

No, they get promoted.

Agreed - in Spain there is a phrase for this - “kicked up”, people who ought to be sacked are promoted or “kicked up” because it’s easier than getting rid of them.

Interesting thread

So annoying when applying for roles there's no way of knowing this type of info. Team I joined had been described as a 'fire pit' recently - 2 awful women gang up on anyone and undermine, raise grievances for minor BS and just make life a misery.

The worst woman has targetted 3 female managers in the last year, all have gone off with stress. Just gets away with it.

Hope I am around somewhere else in the business if there ever is karma.

In DH's company, the Twatbag and Twatbag Wife and Mother Twatbag who are all like this ended up part owners. Twatbag is MD. Twatbag Wife is the entire HR. Mother Twatbag controls the accounts.

Twatbags's latest corker.

Making policy that caused bad parts to be produced when followed to the letter before dressing down the team leader in front of everyone with the following gem:

And I quote,
"You bunch of cunts all better fucking remember when you fuck shit up and cost me fucking money, that I pay your fucking wages. I pay for your fucking mortgages, put the fucking food on your table and buy your fucking cars"

He mainly hires migrant workers as temps, the sort who share rental properties and share a car between them or catch the bus. He hires them and fires them like he doesn't even regard them as human. The few permanent workers catch the bus or walk because they can't afford a car. Not one has a mortgage because they can't get one on what he pays them, even in an area where house prices are rock bottom. Tell a lie, one bloke owns a nice house, his wife is independently wealthy.

No. It doesn't exist, sadly.