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Advice needed - incident in Children's Home

63 replies

welshmum3 · 27/03/2021 09:35

This is not an AIBU, I have posted on the SEN legal but reposting here for more traffic and hopefully some sensible advice. This is a difficult post to write. Please bear with me, I will try to keep it concise.
My daughter, 15, ASD diagnosis attends a specialist independent school as a residential student - after a hard won battle with the LA.
We were overjoyed to get her here after two failed placements, (one mainstream and one resource base), and two long periods of non-attendance together with lots of school induced trauma. It was as near to perfect for her as we could have hoped for.
Last December, at the end of her first term there, I received an email from her residential key worker saying that she and one of her male peers (16) had engaged in consensual sexual activity (she touched his penis and he penetrated her vagina with his finger.) Staff initially felt she had fabricated this incident stating in the email that the peer is 1-1 and supervised at all times except when in his room and all students are supervised when together in communal areas. The boy was denying anything happened other than kissing.
It was investigated and I was told on January that investigations were complete and staff practice updated as well as deciding to do 'mediation' between the two students.
She was not on site from December until last week due to Covid. Two days ago, the peer tried to physically attack her. She was removed to another residential house for her own safety. The residences are registered children's homes but we have no social services involvement, her place is funded by education.
Yesterday, both young people involved stated that the incident of sexual activity had happened. My daughter is saying (for whatever reason) that she coerced the boy into it. This apparently is why he is angry with her.
Today, they decided that on Monday, she cannot attend school and will be 'educated' in her room with a TA.
I am told the boy is home with his parents this weekend and they are deciding how they want to proceed - which could involve the police. At this moment we don't know what will happen.
What happened shouldn't have happened. If staff had followed procedure and supervised them, this situation wouldn't have arisen. They were apparently in a communal area, not even in his room. (Bear in mind in December they denied this could have happened because the students were supervised). Clearly they weren't.
I feel school bears some responsibility and accountability here.
Both students are vulnerable, lacking in social skills and knowledge of relationships.
I'm not in any way minimising what's happened or my daughter's part in it. I'm so scared...my mind is just leaping forward to all the 'worst case scenarios'. She'll be asked to leave the school and won't ever get another one, she'll be taken in to care, she'll end up on the sex offenders register and all the ramifications of that for relationships, work opportunities etc in the future.
Realistically, what's likely to happen to her?
And what should I be doing / what questions should I be asking? ( apart from the obvious why did staff fail to provide adequate supervision)

OP posts:
Kpbffyjjgfi · 27/03/2021 09:53

I'm sorry to hear about all this. I don't speak from experience, but I can't see that anything would happen to your daughter, even if the boys parents involve the police. In my opinion, it would be the staff who should have been supervising who will be the ones in any kind of trouble.

Thehawki · 27/03/2021 10:22

I also feel that the school bears responsibility for this incident. It sounds like they were trying to cover their tracks by telling you they were watching them and they couldn’t have possibly done it. Your daughter is in that school for a reason, she can’t make these decisions for herself properly. I think you might need to look around for a good solicitor for advice? I’m really not sure what I would do in this situation, it’s not an easy thing to deal with that’s for sure!

The only thing I can think is to send an email asking for all details of the incident, why it wasn’t investigated properly, and why they weren’t watching them in the first place. The final question is what are THEY going to do about it to safeguard better in the future?

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 27/03/2021 10:43

YANBU - but on this one

she'll end up on the sex offenders register

I think that's highly unlikely. This would never come to court, both because there have been multiple conflicting accounts of what happened (just think how many cases of rape are never prosecuted, even when the evidence is much stronger), but also because it's not going to be deemed in the public interest to prosecute a young disabled girl for something like this.

Notabs · 27/03/2021 11:11

At the time he was 16 and she was 15? This alone would be reason there is no way she is going to end up on sex offenders register because surely someone under age can’t coerce someone of age? Unless there is some more information about the boy that I’m missing? X

Thisisworsethananticpated · 27/03/2021 11:14

This seems to have become very over stated
She is 15 , a child and has rnageyed with sexual exploration that is totally 100% normal
Secondly he is older than her

Try and stand in a place of calm

This shouldn’t have happened but it does , it did and time to move on and learn

Apologies I’m not minimise g this
But it reads like a major reaction to very normal teen behaviour

SplendidSuns1000 · 27/03/2021 11:27

I think it could end in the staff being investigated or questioned about their supervision as clearly they weren't supervising either of them, and if they were, how on earth did they manage to do all of that with adults watching?

It's going to be difficult to get any clear answer though as both children may not be taken seriously and the school will be trying to cover its tracks by saying nothing happened.

I highly doubt she'll be on the sex offenders registry, as a pp said it's unlikely she'd be prosecuted due to her age and SEN. There is a chance she'll be moved to another school, now that she's in one she's got more of a chance of getting into another one. It's unlikely a school would turn her away for an incident like this.

As this is, I assume, her first incident like this it's unlikely she'll be taken into care.

user1493413286 · 27/03/2021 11:30

Just to calm your fears a bit I really would try not to give headspace to worrying about her going into care or being on the sex offenders register; the chances are either are incredibly slim to nothing.
There are two big questions really -firstly how was this allowed to happen and how are school taking responsibility for it. Secondly what are they suggesting in terms of what happens next.

Erkrie · 27/03/2021 11:30

Your dd is 15. And it seems the school have failed to protect her. I would contact the police myself.

Krazynights34 · 27/03/2021 12:18

As Erkrie says!!

Amberleaf12 · 27/03/2021 12:24

The staff are covering their tracks and blame shifting onto your daughter for their failures. They risk all of their placements if found to be in the wrong

This would have been thoroughly reviewed if it was an LA placement.

You need to get proper advice and help.

If the staff were doing their job properly this incident shouldn’t have happened. The children are in their care so they are responsible ! It’s residential care for crying out loud. That says everything about who’s responsible!

Thatwentbadly · 27/03/2021 12:32

I would be contacting social services in the area her school is based and asking for their advice as this is very complex. If you think the school has failed in safeguarding you can also contact the LEA LADO (it doesn’t matter that it’s not an LEA school).

LaBellina · 27/03/2021 12:34

Are you sure that your daughter has coerced the boy into it? And it’s not the other way around and your daughter has been manipulated into thinking/saying this?

JuneS87 · 27/03/2021 12:39

This is dreadful OP but it's not your daughters fault. I would be filing a compl at least as to why and how this was allowed to happen and though I hate to ask the question is there a camera because you may see the story isn't what it seems. I would also worry the staff and the boy have ganged up on your daughter and told her she wanted it to happen

Skatastic · 27/03/2021 12:39

I too would contact children's social care and ask for their advice. School have failed in their safeguarding duties to protect either child involved.

Thehop · 27/03/2021 12:39

I’m with @Erkrie too

LIZS · 27/03/2021 12:46

You should involve the Safeguarding team at the LA. The situation should never have arisen and the manner in which it has been handled is very dubious.

sadpapercourtesan · 27/03/2021 12:52

I agree with previous posters that your daughter is being scapegoated here. Someone has decided that it would be a neat solution and face-saving for everyone for her to carry the can for systemic failings in safeguarding. It's appalling but I'm not surprised. You need to push back, hard.

Put in writing, strongly but professionally worded, precisely what has happened and how your daughter has been failed here. Send it to the school, the LADO and keep a copy.

I would withdraw my child until a satisfactory conclusion has been reached, and make a formal complaint to the LA that pays for the place, because your daughter can't be provided with the safe, supported access to education that she is entitled to.

sadpapercourtesan · 27/03/2021 12:54

And Flowers and a handhold for you OP, because this is horrible and frightening. You and your daughter are not at fault here, at all.

moochingtothepub · 27/03/2021 12:55

Whilst it needed to be investigated, it seems it has been blown out of proportion. Just because young people have sen, it doesn't mean they don't have sexual urges. He is past the age of consent, she is close and whilst they are vulnerable, I'm not sure why it's escalated to the point of potential expulsion if both consented. Asd does not mean they cannot consent. My dd has asd and has had boyfriends and girlfriends (she's not fussySmile)

Yes the school needed to investigate but more on the grounds of why staff didn't notice what they were doing in public areas of the school. If your dd was coercing him then it's a concern but doesn't ring right to me, more likely consensual

helpfulperson · 27/03/2021 12:57

I would ask the school what their 'sexual relations' policy is and also how the handle sex education. At that age sexual exploration is natural for all young people and they should have clear policies on how to handle it ensuring it is consensual and appropriate.

dontsaveusername · 27/03/2021 13:00

I'm sure there will be no significan police involvement, although if the parents complain, it will be investigated and both children interviewed, but no further action, I am sure.
The school are 100% at fault here and they must alter their practices and reassure all student and parents that the children will be safe.

Both children will need some counselling here on what's appropriate and what is not, but this is more in line with social care.
Provided the school can reassure you the children will be better supervise, if not separated, you have no need to worry. Your confidence in the school has been knocked, I hope they can restore this for you.

Jessbow · 27/03/2021 13:11

So did this happen in the school, or the home? Are the homes attached to the school, or a place from which they go out to school?

DarkMatterA2Z · 27/03/2021 13:15

Fight for your daughter. Sounds like there's some victim-blaming going on here. Very sceptical that she "forced" an older boy to digitally penetrative her. Make it clear that, if any offence has been committed, you don't believe it's on her part without having much more evidence than a potentially manipulated "confession".

canigooutyet · 27/03/2021 13:16

I would start contacting Social services, NSPCC, local police, local LA etc for advice tbh.

Far too many cases of abuse go unreported when there is additional needs. I am not suggesting this is the case, although can a 15 year old legally give consent regardless of any additional needs?

Yes its true of course 15 year olds willingly have sex. Just not that many get away with it unseen when there are others in the room.

It might just end up with the staff getting more training, and more teaching into relationships including consent and body autonomy.

Had they been more open in their process I would be like ok these things happen. It's the potential cover up that disturbs me. However, honestly history has taught me a lot of negativity when it comes to cover ups in children homes.

GreenSlide · 27/03/2021 13:19

@LaBellina

Are you sure that your daughter has coerced the boy into it? And it’s not the other way around and your daughter has been manipulated into thinking/saying this?

Exactly. And even if this isn't the case, the school should have safeguarded your daughter against this scenario. YANBU and your daughter has NBU either. I'm sure it's been a shock to the system and you've just wanted to go along with things to make it as right as possible. But it's time to get angry about the way they have let your daughter down.

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