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Croydon flats - on the news

180 replies

Blinkinblimey · 22/03/2021 22:19

I just saw a family in sopping wet flats where they were at risk of electrocution.

Fucking horrendous. You wouldn’t want to visit let alone live there.

How do housing teams allow this to happen? It really shouldn’t take the 10 o’ clock news to highlight appalling living conditions.

Feel so sad and angry.

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safariboot · 01/04/2021 01:03

Hypocrisy of the highest order from the council. Nobody is watching the watchmen. Rotten to the core like the slumblocks they rent out.

BlackeyedSusan · 01/04/2021 01:26

they are really shit houses.

I was pissed off when water poured through my ceiling from the tank as i had to sort it myself. now I am bloody grateful that the repair was in my control and it would have been worse trying to get a council to fix it.

Starrylight · 01/04/2021 02:02

I can't even comprehend just how horrific its been for that mum and her DC to have to live there! By comparison my personal experience of living in a LA (sold to HA) property is small potatoes. But it has included the following highlights; moving in to a property that was already turned down by 8 families (I needed to move in there and then), reassured the necessary works would be completed (of course they weren't), 3x council contractors telling me my house had been 'discussed' at the depot and all agreed it should never have been let in that condition. 1x plasterer apologising when he rocked up to 're-plaster' the kitchen and they'd only issued him 1x bag of plaster equivelant to a bag of sugar (patched as best he could), inspector visiting the property on 3x occasions about 'the smell', was informed 'it's a dead mouse', 'must be your dog peeing?' (the dog didn't go in the under stairs cupboard) turned out the raw sewerage pipe had burst and they had to drain out from under the foundations (workman was had you not noticed the smell? Yes, yes I had! 😂). They fitted new radiators and didn't connect the one on the landing properly. I then came home from work 10pm to find the ceiling had collapsed, fried the electrics and water pissing through it. I was asked if I thought it was connected to the new radiator whilst housing inspector scratched his head? Umm, yes the ceiling had never collapsed before then! Damp in the dining room I reported so many times (I bought a dehumidifier that was constantly full), inspector suggested it was 'because I had a dog and they breathe more often than people and so create more condensation' 🙄 Eventually they admitted defeat and had to strip 3x walls back to brick and re-tank it properly. Toilet blocking every 6-12 months is still an ongoing issue. They know the pipe has dropped in the outside drain, they still refuse to pay to dig it up and replace it. So it's an ongoing (8yr) issue where I ring and report it, they insist it falls under the water company (it doesn't), the water company offer to explain why it doesn't fall under them. The HA then send contractors to pump the pipe, spray high grade disinfectant on the path then don't fix the pipe. Oh, there was also the cracked front window (pre me moving in), contractor rocked up in van said they couldn't replace it as 'the issued window was stolen'... Then some complete randomer in a car rocked up 6wks after to say 'window can't be fitted as the van with your window in was stolen' 😂

MercyBooth · 01/04/2021 02:43

@Starrylight that reads like a very unfunny script for a Carry On film What utter ineptitude.

dayslikethese1 · 01/04/2021 02:46

I have lived in private rented flats covered in mould and was always told it was my fault for not opening windows/drying washing whatever. It was bollocks, no problems now in my own place. Landlords just didn't wanna sort the damp issues. Ot was nowhere near as bad as the flats in that video though, those poor people.

Starrylight · 01/04/2021 04:42

@MercyBooth Yep, it's beyond insane and I don't push the blame on LA/HA workers/contractors at all. But I did frankly draw the line at the inspector declaring the rising damp was clearly due to my 4lb yorkie 'breathing too much' 😂 But to be fair that's probably 101 in the 'fobbing off handbook', right up there with 'well if you opened your windows more to ventilate (whilst water is clearly seeping through/up walls), and' rub it down with a bit of bleach' (bleach, that well known substance for fixing a shitty damp course) 😐

Tinkerbell456 · 01/04/2021 04:46

That is disgusting! Those poor people. Those are conditions that you wouldn’t keep a dog in let alone humans.

abstractzebra · 01/04/2021 12:12

With my HA (my freeholder), I've had loads of arguments regarding the fobbing off techniques.
The last incident was regarding an antisocial neighbour which mainly affected my neighbour and occasionally me.
I was told that it was only the two of us complaining as if there was a standard amount of complainers required!
I asked to see the policy where this was stated. Of course they couldn't provide one.
The shocking thing is that we've had two incidents where we've been fobbed off about what we've heard and one resulted in the mistreatment of a puppy and the other, two children were removed with significant injuries.
We were told it was 'normal living noise'

@MercyBooth I'm really dithering over starting a Facebook group for residents of our HA but I'm really scared of being overwhelmed. I've never run a Facebook page and most other HA's have got them and they end up with thousands of members. I feel like it needs to be done though as residents need support and advice.

MercyBooth · 07/04/2021 19:33

@abstractzebra im the admin in one and we now have over 2,800 members. Is there someone who could set one up with you?

Update on Croyden. It gets worse. One tenant was moved to a bail hostel + more being pissed around
insidecroydon.com/2021/04/06/council-flats-crisis-has-been-heartbreaking-and-cruel/

MercyBooth · 22/04/2021 21:20

@abstractzebra @Starrylight

Another update. This one features all the hoop jumping and beaurocracy tenants have to go through just to get problems sorted

www.itv.com/news/2021-04-22/britains-housing-crisis-the-tenants-who-complain-and-complain-but-get-nowhere

abstractzebra · 23/04/2021 15:40

Who owns the property featured? I couldn't see in the report.
The complaints process for HAs is soul destroying.
I made a complaint on the 1st March after asking and asking for information and failing. It was a written complaint and initially I got a couple of follow up calls but the people didn't seem to know what my complaint was about, even though it was in writing. I was told I'd get a final response within 20 working days and finally received a reply on 20th April, just dismissing everything I had said! I will escalate it but it is impossible to ever get anything put right or get anyone to take any responsibility.
This time, last year we were suffering with noise and worrying issues upstairs. Both myself and my neighbour were firmly told it was normal living noise. The housing officer even phoned me to make derogatory comments about the other neighbour who had reported the issues.
Two children with significant injuries have been removed from the property.
Luckily, we didn't listen to the housing officer who was insistent that we were making a fuss about nothing!

MercyBooth · 23/04/2021 16:44

Clarion Housing Association.

abstractzebra · 23/04/2021 17:37

No surprise there then!

MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 00:09

@Blinkinblimey @abstractzebra

They have been exonerated.

www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/news/clarion-cleared-by-rsh-following-itv-investigation-72111

Clarion cleared by RSH following ITV investigation
NEWS
12.08.21
4:20 PM
BY NATHANIEL BARKER
The UK’s largest housing association has been cleared of a standards breach by the sector’s regulator following an investigation sparked by a television investigation into the conditions on one of its estates in London.

Clarion, which owns and manages around 125,000 homes across the country, referred itself to the Regulator of Social Housing (RSH) after the report aired in June.

ITV News and My London spoke to unhappy residents at Clarion’s Eastfields Estate in Merton, south London, with images showing vermin infestations and widespread disrepair. In many cases, residents had to wait long periods for issues to be rectified by the landlord, including one family who had lived for eight months without lights on the top floor of their home.

At the time, the landlord apologised to residents and admitted its service “had not been to the standard that we would like”.

Minister Luke Hall later revealed in parliament that the RSH was “considering information received from Clarion Housing Association about the Eastfields Estate” with a view to deciding “whether there is evidence of systemic failure that would indicate a breach of regulatory standards”.

In an unusual statement issued today, the RSH said: “We received a referral from Clarion Housing Association in relation to homes on its Eastfields Estate in Merton.

“While there were clearly individual repairs issues which required resolution, our investigation did not find evidence of systemic or organisational failure which indicates a breach of the consumer standards.”

Its conclusion means Clarion will retain its G1/V1 regulatory grading, the highest possible.

The RSH’s investigation came soon after a separate five-month probe into Clarion, which centred on repairs and complaint-handling concerns raised by a group of councillors in Tower Hamlets.

In late March, the regulator concluded that while it found “individual incidents of service failures”, there was no “evidence of systemic failings by Clarion which would necessitate regulatory action”.

Clare Miller, chief executive of Clarion Housing Group, said: “We welcome the decision of the regulator to maintain the G1/V1 status for Clarion Housing Group.

“I am proud of the role we play as a social landlord to 350,000 residents across the country and the contribution we make as a developer of new homes. But we are also an organisation determined to continually improve the service we provide.

“At the Eastfields Estate in Merton, we apologised for past mistakes and have taken action to improve conditions on the estate. We are listening to residents and working closely with the council, to ensure improvements in living conditions now and drive forward our plan for regeneration in the future.

“I have commissioned a review of lessons learned from Eastfields and we will be publishing the results in the autumn.

“This will sit alongside a plan that renews our commitment to our residents, comprising everything from investment in their homes to ensuring a regular and visible Clarion presence in their local communities.

Since 2012, the regulator has only been able to intervene on consumer issues where it finds evidence of “serious detriment” to tenants.

In the Social Housing White Paper, published in October in response to the Grenfell Tower fire, the government laid out proposals for a return to a proactive system of consumer regulation.

ITV has run a series of reports on incidents of social housing residents facing squalid conditions, beginning with an exposé of shocking mould problems at a Croydon Council-owned tower block.

The investigation resulted in the regulator stepping in and saw Croydon Council become only the second-ever social landlord to be found in breach of the Tenant Involvement and Empowerment Standard.

In its report, the RSH said that some of the homes the council managed were “uninhabitable and unsafe” with tenants at “risk of serious harm” because of the conditions.

Since 2012, the regulator has only been able to intervene on consumer issues where it finds evidence of “serious detriment” to tenants.

In the Social Housing White Paper, published in October in response to the Grenfell Tower fire, the government laid out proposals for a return to a proactive system of consumer regulation.

ITV has run a series of reports on incidents of social housing residents facing squalid conditions, beginning with an exposé of shocking mould problems at a Croydon Council-owned tower block.

The investigation resulted in the regulator stepping in and saw Croydon Council become only the second-ever social landlord to be found in breach of the Tenant Involvement and Empowerment Standard.

In its report, the RSH said that some of the homes the council managed were “uninhabitable and unsafe” with tenants at “risk of serious harm” because of the conditions.

blinkinblimey · 16/08/2021 10:21

I’ve read reports of housing in the 1800s.. there are a lot of similarities, especially with the way the authorities are ‘handling’ the situation.

I’m hoping ITV follow this up as Clarion appear to be getting away with delivering hellish conditions to some of these tenants.

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MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 16:32

Looks like they will especially Daniel.

twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1427243159784935425?s=20

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV
·
3h
Rats, leaks, collapsed ceilings. What we found on this estate led to an inquiry by the Social Housing Regulator.

That inquiry has cleared Clarion, finding no evidence of “organisational failure.”

We’ve now learned not a single tenant was spoken to as part of the inquiry. Not 1.

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV
·
3h
As well as not speaking to any tenants on Eastfields, not a single property was visited or inspected by the Regulator.

The Regulator only spoke to Clarion & “third parties”.

So an inquiry into how tenant’s complaints were dealt with by Clarion didn’t involve a single tenant.

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV
Replying to
@DanielHewittITV
The Regulator told us it does not have the power to carry out visits to tenants properties or “proactively seek tenants’ views on the performance of their landlord.”

So instead, they spoke only to Clarion and concluded that Clarion wasn’t failing.

The tenants never had a voice.

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV
·
2h
Replying to
@DanielHewittITV
The Regulator for Social Housing doesn’t have the power to speak to tenants or visit their homes. I mean, is it unreasonable to ask, what’s the point?

MrsPsmalls · 16/08/2021 16:44

Absolutely disgusting. I really hope Daniel Hewitt has the will to take this on. Everything seems stacked against individual tenants.

MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 16:54

And yet many still scratch their heads and wonder how Grenfell happened.

MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 19:28

Public health is a serious enough reason to stop us from seeing family last Christmas but not serious enough to tackle poor housing. If ppl can see this cognitive dissonance that may well affect decisions about whether to have the vaccine or not
To clarify ive had the vaccine but the Gov. cant preach about public health and allow these issues to carry on. Disingenuous at best and blatant hypocrisy at worst

blinkinblimey · 16/08/2021 22:57

Will start following Daniel Hewitt on Twitter and see what’s happening.

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Supersimkin2 · 16/08/2021 23:10

Corrupt Croydon disappeared the £200 million housing budget.

Where is it?

strivingtosucceed · 18/08/2021 00:51

It's so appalling that this has happened, but glad something is being done about it.

It;s interesting to think about though, this isn't the first time that councils have been shown to be slumlords. I wonder what it would be like if private rentals weren't allowed at all. I think a lot of us would be positively screwed.

NatriumChloride · 18/08/2021 01:02

Absolutely awful. Those poor tenants. I feel outraged on their behalf.