To think that the EU have done more to endorse Brexit in the last 2 weeks than the UK managed in nearly 5 years

[Butterflyfluff]

I’ll start by saying I’ve never thought Brexit was in the long term interest of the UK and still don’t

But dear God, the EU’s behaviour over vaccinations and, in particular, the blatant prejudice around the Astra Zeneca vaccine has done more to endorse the UK leaving than anything that has been said in the UK before, during and after the vote

@Itsalonghaul the only indoctrinated person I see here is you. As I said if you would care to read my posts I am aware there are good and bad aspects of the EU. My personal view is that the good outweighs the bad for my particular EU country at the minute. I’m sorry that doesn’t fit with your hysteria of the evil EU.

It’s not anti British sentiment from Irish posters when we respond to you calling Ireland a ‘little backwater’

I am pleased the vaccine drive has worked out for the U.K. I also am not blinded from that by the many awful mistakes made during covid leading to their high death rate. I can see procurement of vaccines independently was great for the U.K. I can also see the exporting slump from Brexit is not good.

You really need to work on your critical thinking skills... none of these situation are clear cut

It is interesting to note the anti British sentiment on here from the Irish. Really not very happy that this all worked out for the UK. Annoyed that we are not paying out penance for leaving the EU protection racket, and instead seem to be enjoying life on the outside. Jesus wept.You are more indoctrinated than I thought. Fully signed up to the EU cult.

Or, to a sane person, we know that Britain royally fucked us over with Brexit, doesn't give a shit about NI, is still not doing any of the necessary, and caused us expensive problems. AND we know that being in the EU is bloody brilliant and you're idiots for leaving. IT hasn't all worked well for the UK at all and if you think it has, you're a deluded fool.

You're fucked. The fact that you paid massively over the odds for vaccines to get them slightly quicker isn't going to save you, it doesn't wipe out every other problem you have. Just because Boris has shoved his "vaccine success" deep down your throat and you've forgotten every other fuck up he's made doesn't mean any of it has gone away.

[quote Sayamino]@Cailleach1

No you’re right, AZ is just the means by which to conduct political warfare.[/quote]
Well, it is irrational that people are in a tizzy about countries which don't have an export ban in place. Yet are silent on the fact that the AZ supplies to the UK will be affected because of the US export ban that is in place.

If people aren't being political about, is it because they are ignorant of the facts as they stand?

@HotCrossBumsticks

It is interesting to note the anti British sentiment on here from the Irish. Really not very happy that this all worked out for the UK. Annoyed that we are not paying out penance for leaving the EU protection racket, and instead seem to be enjoying life on the outside. Jesus wept.You are more indoctrinated than I thought. Fully signed up to the EU cult.

Or, to a sane person, we know that Britain royally fucked us over with Brexit, doesn't give a shit about NI, is still not doing any of the necessary, and caused us expensive problems. AND we know that being in the EU is bloody brilliant and you're idiots for leaving. IT hasn't all worked well for the UK at all and if you think it has, you're a deluded fool.

You're fucked. The fact that you paid massively over the odds for vaccines to get them slightly quicker isn't going to save you, it doesn't wipe out every other problem you have. Just because Boris has shoved his "vaccine success" deep down your throat and you've forgotten every other fuck up he's made doesn't mean any of it has gone away.

So much hostility.

You use the word hysteria alot. Do you feel there is hysteria? Because I am not receiving that at all. I think most people are just happy to through the worst, and feeling optimistic for the future.

I personally feel many small countries probably do benefit from the EU if they are not net contributors, and are okay with the further integrationist plans, but it was never going to work for the UK.

We are happy with the way things are, and how they are shaping up for future trade looking further afield. We are in finance, and things are looking good. Focus on your own future, not on ours. You are going to have your work cut out with VDL thats for sure. Have you any idea how she can be sacked or removed? There is an accountability problem.

@HotCrossBumsticks

It is interesting to note the anti British sentiment on here from the Irish. Really not very happy that this all worked out for the UK. Annoyed that we are not paying out penance for leaving the EU protection racket, and instead seem to be enjoying life on the outside. Jesus wept.You are more indoctrinated than I thought. Fully signed up to the EU cult.

Or, to a sane person, we know that Britain royally fucked us over with Brexit, doesn't give a shit about NI, is still not doing any of the necessary, and caused us expensive problems. AND we know that being in the EU is bloody brilliant and you're idiots for leaving. IT hasn't all worked well for the UK at all and if you think it has, you're a deluded fool.

You're fucked. The fact that you paid massively over the odds for vaccines to get them slightly quicker isn't going to save you, it doesn't wipe out every other problem you have. Just because Boris has shoved his "vaccine success" deep down your throat and you've forgotten every other fuck up he's made doesn't mean any of it has gone away.

This is ridiculous. There is no point in berating an individual poster for Brexit. It is done. The UK is now free to act in its own interests without a supranational customs Union, and on balance it will prove a good decision.

This divergence will be apparent soon. The vaccine example is just the start.

he UK is now free to act in its own interests without a supranational customs Union, and on balance it will prove a good decision

It won't. It's not acting in its own best interests...it's leaving NI adrift.

So much hostility

Yup, I think they might be a bit sad.

It wasn't supposed to be like this.

The EU were supposed to be having 'their great moment' and lording the joys of Unity, and Britain is supposed to be rotting in an eternal lockdown with no vaccines because we left. Sadly, that was not to be.

What @LoadsOfTrouble said. Vaccine procurement is nothing to do with the EU and is certainly no reason to leave. We could have had our own supply if we had remained in the EU as some member states have. Similarly the suspension in use of the AZ vaccine has nothing to do with the EU - certain member states have decided to suspend its use, others have not. The EUs body for medicine has made it clear that it does not recommend suspending the use of the vaccine.

So basically if you take the issue with the vaccine in Europe as some sort of endorsement of brexit, you shouldn’t.

@HotCrossBumsticks

he UK is now free to act in its own interests without a supranational customs Union, and on balance it will prove a good decision

It won't. It's not acting in its own best interests...it's leaving NI adrift.

I don’t think you have any idea what the British government is going to do.

Some of the opinions here seem to be based on no change. That we’d carry on in a similar way to before. I think a lot of pro EU people are going to have much worse shocks to come in the next few years.

@Itsalonghaul hmmmm why would I use the word ‘hysteria’ when I refer to your posts. I mean you are just so rational.....

If the EU prefer to continue to create chaos and drama over vaccines, well they will have to live with the consqeuences!

A lot of anger is going to boil over in Europe in the coming months, and it won't be aimed at us.

Maybe there is some jealousy and envy that the UK are in a stronger position

You are nothing to the EU now brexit is done, they used you as a pawn and got what they wanted and pretended to care about your predicament. Do they hell. You will fade out of their consciousness now, so don't expect anyone to care what Ireland is going through or even try to understand the basics of your history and politics.

You have an almighty problem on your hands. This is just the start . You have demented dictator whom answers to no one calling the shots now, good luck to you.

Well get used to it Emerald, because as far as I can see the vaccine is just the start now the UK is finally freed from the EU shackles , we intend to make the very most of it. We are world leaders in science, engineering, finance, insurance, law

I know Ijust Ireland is absolutely tiny with only 4.9 million - we on the other hand have 67 million people! You could fit Ireland's population into just London twice over. So not comparable at all when you consider a big populous country like the UK with an international hub like Heathrow and a world city and compare to a little backwater like Ireland

The Kent variant was discovered in the UK thanks to our world class genomics facility,

Where can we find the life saving vaccine that Ireland has produced?

Really not very happy that this all worked out for the UK. Annoyed that we are not paying out penance for leaving the EU protection racket , and instead seem to be enjoying life on the outside. Jesus wept.
You are more indoctrinated than I thought.

I don’t think you have any idea what the British government is going to do

I think we can all tell what the UK government is going to do about NI: the same as it has always done. Bugger all. Which is not going to cut it this time.

People are dying in their member states yet they’ve chosen to play games with the AZ vaccine because it’s British

I agree. And that includes the irish.

People are dying in their member states yet they’ve chosen to play games with the AZ vaccine because it’s British

That's utter nonsense and nothing but paranoia.

I just don't have time for this ephipany Jeez. Get over it.

This.

People are dying in their member states yet they’ve chosen to play games with the AZ vaccine because it’s British

It's half Swedish and we've suspended using it pending an investigation as we've had deaths following vaccination which need to be looked into.

They haven't actually blocked it. The Irish PM has spoken out against it. I don't think they should, it won't make enough of a difference to be worth the aggro.

But there's a lot more nuance to real life than the plucky goodies versus the evil baddies, and it's worrying how many people on a parenting site can't cope with any thought more complex than that binary.

@Itsalonghaul At least own you're anti-Irish based on your posts.
Hopefully all this vaccine issues will be a distant memory in a few months.

I was also a remainer. The EU has completely and utterly embarrassed itself in front of the entire world with its behaviour over vaccines. The behaviour is reminiscent of Nicola Stugeon - petty and vindictive and more about personal politics and agendas than doing the right thing for their members/citizens.

I should not be surprised, in my line of work I have to deal a lot with European regulation and it is always a nightmare - largely illogical.

I wanted to remain for freedom of movement and still sad that we have lost that but the EU needs to change, they are like an outdated private members club with a fusty old board who are terrified of change.

European countries need to get their arses in gear on vaccination.
The UK needs to get its arse in gear on many other things.

@FatCatThinCat

People are dying in their member states yet they’ve chosen to play games with the AZ vaccine because it’s British

It's half Swedish and we've suspended using it pending an investigation as we've had deaths following vaccination which need to be looked into.

@FatCatThinCat don’t be coming on here with your rationality!! it doesn’t suit the ‘it’s all a vendetta against the U.K.’ view

@CayrolBaaaskin no we would of had to join what members states have arranged their own deals for the main 3 ? They have got some other ones but not able to do their own deal for moderna, pfizer , az etc as was handled as one
This is where it hasn't worked out

@HotCrossBumsticks we didn't pay massively over the odds for vaccines, we heavily put money into development of an at cost vaccine that will help a lot of the world out hopefully long term as not all can afford the jabs , the uk has also heavily donated to covax as well again helping lesser countries out
We didn't waste time trying to get costs down on a not for profit vaccine

@Cailleach1 we were never getting stock from the us so their ban doesn't affect the uk , its not contracted to come from the us