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To feel uneasy about how quiet everyone is about this happening?

270 replies

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 10:56

Here are a few articles about a new bill going through, but really there isn't enough being spoken about it in the media.

Politics.co.uk: Anti-protest bill: Freedom dies in silence "The truly frightening thing was that they didn’t even argue for it. Over two days of debate and dozens of speeches, not one government minister actually defended the anti-protest powers in the new policing bill. Only one MP did."

The Economist: An illiberal bill to suppress protest in Britain

Guardian: 'Bill that curtails ability to protest in England and Wales passes second reading' "The DUP MP Gavin Robinson said: “The loose and lazy way this legislation is drafted would make a dictator blush. Protests will be noisy, protests will disrupt and no matter how offensive we may find the issue at their heart, the right to protest should be protected.”

Opinion: The Right to Protest is important in any credible democracy. Whilst I appreciate the current covid restrictions makes protest harder, in general, this should only be temporary until the pandemic slows down and we are back to some normality. A bill making potentially permanent changes to the Right to Protest makes me feel uneasy. Is that unreasonable?

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dividedwefall · 19/03/2021 21:36

Yes exactly @Maxnon If nothing else we are being used as part of a giant psychology experiment. The government have their own behavioural science team in-house whose sole aim is to coerce, manipulate and brainwash us into doing what they want. They have been doing this relentlessly during the past year. Once you know this, you can't unknow it.

dividedwefall · 19/03/2021 21:37

Oh, and I forgot 'scare' as their main tactic has been to engender feelings of fear and anxiety.

Donotfeedthebears · 19/03/2021 21:42

I’m imagining a Handmaid’s Tale universe where anybody not wanting to be ritually raped is told by Mumsnetters “not to be so selfish, do you want grannies to die?”

That’s what the past year has taught me.

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 21:43

@dividedwefall

Yes exactly *@Maxnon* If nothing else we are being used as part of a giant psychology experiment. The government have their own behavioural science team in-house whose sole aim is to coerce, manipulate and brainwash us into doing what they want. They have been doing this relentlessly during the past year. Once you know this, you can't unknow it.
Ah. But what they need is perhaps not what they want. Parents should have taught them that life is not always fair.
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Worriedmummy82 · 19/03/2021 21:49

I find this alarming. What can we do to stop it?

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 21:50

@LunaHeather

OP I don't think they are sacrificing the economy

They are going to reshape it as they want it. Isn't Cummings big on the theory that it's better to destroy and then build what you want, rather than go for gradual change?

The irony of "lockdown to protect the NHS" is it's made me think I'd like to be rid of it. Cummings is clever - he might have factored that in?

Don't forget,the roadmap document specifically says we must "protect the vaccination prigramme".

But would Cummings have known about Covid? If the virus was just the UK then I see what you mean, but this is worldwide.

Unless, it's a massive conspiracy.

Or, the powers that being a shitting themselves because, having dismissed the possibility for so long, they've had some bad news that Jesus is on his way with a flaming sword to put the fear of God in them. So, now they're being all "We are good leaders and helping peoples' health. Look Jesus, we are putting lives before money." Haha Grin

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Maxnon · 19/03/2021 21:51

*Or, the powers that be are shitting themselves...

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adeleh · 19/03/2021 21:56

@dividedwefall

Yes exactly *@Maxnon* If nothing else we are being used as part of a giant psychology experiment. The government have their own behavioural science team in-house whose sole aim is to coerce, manipulate and brainwash us into doing what they want. They have been doing this relentlessly during the past year. Once you know this, you can't unknow it.
Oh my god. I never knew this. Is there evidence? I believe you, btw, but want to read up on it. It makes perfect sense. I’m convinced Dominic Cummings is still around in the wings.
dividedwefall · 19/03/2021 21:58

@adeleh www.gov.uk/government/organisations/behavioural-insights-team

Some of their documents are ..... enlightening to say the least.

dividedwefall · 19/03/2021 21:59

www.bi.team/

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 22:01

"I’m convinced Dominic Cummings is still around in the wings." @adeleh

His exit looked too staged to be real. So, you may have a point.

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MercyBooth · 19/03/2021 22:08

Channel 4 News
@Channel4News
In this C4 News exclusive footage, this is the moment police officer PC Oliver Banfield violently attacked a woman walking home at night in 2020.

She faced an uphill battle to get justice from the police forces involved

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 22:09

@Donotfeedthebears

I’m imagining a Handmaid’s Tale universe where anybody not wanting to be ritually raped is told by Mumsnetters “not to be so selfish, do you want grannies to die?”

That’s what the past year has taught me.

There was a discussion at Oxford about this.

Living too long? Is this the beginning of the end of the success story?

For context: "Life expectancies at birth in England and Wales, for example, increased from 48 years for females and 44 years for males in 1900 to 71 years and 66 years respectively by 1965, and again to 84 years and 80 years respectively in 2014."

and

"The evidence for our increasingly long lives, however, is accompanied by less positive evidence of increasing inequalities."

This is the first time in recorded history (as far as I can tell) that human life expectancy has been so high. Our life expectancies are reasonably recent. Maybe the message is that this is not sustainable?

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Maxnon · 19/03/2021 22:10

Our higher* life expectancies are reasonably recent.

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MercyBooth · 19/03/2021 22:15

www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/03/19/met-police-warn-protesters-ahead-of-planned-demonstrations-in-london-this-weekend/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1372939079969554438?s=20 THREAD!!!!

Adam Wagner
@AdamWagner1
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6h
Mr Justice Holgate's judgment in the
@ReclaimTS
Judicial Review interim hearing from last Friday has been published.

Paragraph 24 is key and couldn't be clearer.

Any police force with a policy which bans all protest would be acting unlawfully

Dustyboots · 19/03/2021 22:15

Cummings is definitely still involved in government. That staged leaving fooled too many of us.

Mif4 · 19/03/2021 22:20

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LunaHeather · 19/03/2021 22:28

OP

I am not saying Cummings knew about Covid or denying Covid!

I am saying that they saw the opportunity to do a whole bunch of stuff under the cover of Covid.

I didn't think anyone was fooled by Cummings exit.

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 22:36

@LunaHeather

"I didn't think anyone was fooled by Cummings exit."

Having read some of the comments on DM, then I can believe a lot of people were fooled by it. Put on a show exit. He still works from home. Out of sight, out of the public's mind.

Part of me wonders if the UK allows itself to become an authoritarian dictatorship police state and no enough stood up to it at the time it was happening, then maybe the people deserve what they get. It's their own fault for being too lazy and cowardly to protest... so can't complain.

Obviously not great for those of us who want freedom and democracy, but the burden has to be shared. It's too much to carry.

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Maxnon · 19/03/2021 22:36

*not enough

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LunaHeather · 19/03/2021 22:39

@Maxnon

*not enough
I do know what you mean but I tried so hard last year 😭

I want to point and laugh at the idiots who judged me but I don't think it's fair those of us who stood up have to suffer because some people can't see past their furlough payment.

MercyBooth · 19/03/2021 22:42

The Government and certain people on here are happy to use long Covid to scare others and for emotional blackmail purposes. I wonder if the willingness to take it seriously will evaporate once the people who are suffering with it start applying for disability benefits.

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 22:43

@LunaHeather

And you're silenced for questioning the agenda with name-calling and accusations of being a crazy conspiracy theorist?

I understand Flowers

You can only do your best and use whatever self-preservation strategies help you and your family. If people lose their rights, freedom and democracy due to their own apathy, then that's on them not you. They can go to hell.

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MercyBooth · 19/03/2021 22:44

Oh and those who wax lyrical about long Covid but are dismissive when people with certain illnesses and disabilities cant wear masks.......you might think long Covid is the only long term post viral syndrome that counts NOW. But that is while the Government is happy to use you yes USE YOU to scare and emotionally blackmail others. The real litmus test will come when you have to apply for disability benefits. And when you are told NO you will want help and support from the very people you denigrated for not being able to wear masks

Maxnon · 19/03/2021 22:46

@MercyBooth

Oh and those who wax lyrical about long Covid but are dismissive when people with certain illnesses and disabilities cant wear masks.......you might think long Covid is the only long term post viral syndrome that counts NOW. But that is while the Government is happy to use you yes USE YOU to scare and emotionally blackmail others. The real litmus test will come when you have to apply for disability benefits. And when you are told NO you will want help and support from the very people you denigrated for not being able to wear masks
That assumes that disability benefits won't be removed as part of the agenda.

This is sounding scarily familiar, like the T4 Nazi Program. T4 Program

"T4 Program, also called T4 Euthanasia Program, Nazi German effort—framed as a euthanasia program—to kill incurably ill, physically or mentally disabled, emotionally distraught, and elderly people. Adolf Hitler initiated the program in 1939, and, while it was officially discontinued in 1941, killings continued covertly until the military defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945."

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