Girl in isolation as school changed rules and shops not open.

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I've always been hot on my ds following schools rules with uniform despite me thinking some are often extreme.

I actually think this one is extreme but regardless AIBU to think in this case as they changed rules in February and the shops to get the uniform rule adhered to don't actually open bu government law until April it's horrendous to use isolation as a punishment (especially after lockdown) until the issue can be solved?

@Hankunamatata

Its health and saftey. Something catches the studs and rips her ear in school then mum would be quick to sue

No it isn't. You just make the child cover it with a plaster in activities where that might be an issue.

When new school heads start fixating on uniform it always seems to me as if they're holding a big neon sign saying "I don't know what I'm doing but I do know that in the UK academy system making a fetish of uniform is an easy win". It would be so much more impressive if they left uniform alone, relaxed the rules in a big way, and told staff that they are there to teach not to police what children are wearing.

It’s absurd.

My DDs go to an excellent girls school, which have some of the best results in the country and whilst there is a formal uniform the enforcement around jewellery, bags, shoes etc is low.

Somehow the girls all excel and there are no behavioural issues of note.

I never understand why parents are so happy to blindly follow school "rules" off a cliff.

Because that's what you agree to when you send your child to a particular school. If you don't like their rules, choose another school, choose to home school or get involved with trying to change rules you believe are too restrictive. I think the current trend for strict uniform is ridiculous. Our school is fairly relaxed, but the high school she will go to more strict. If it becomes a problem, I'll be approaching the parent body to petition the school board.

I have sympathy with this situation as it is obviously covid related, but the problem is also how the family dealt with it. They just sent the girl to school and expected it to be ok. We have a shoe issue with our daughter. It is often impossible to find appropriate school shoes. Her transition to high school has already started and I've let the school know that this is a part of the uniform policy we may struggle to adhere to but we will do our best to provide appropriate footwear. I wonder whether this family would have had a better outcome if they had called the school before the girl went back and asked for their advice how to best solve the problem.

That's another common misconception. That you "choose" the school.

Not always possible. Many are over subscribed. Choice is nothing but an illusion

That's another common misconception. That you "choose" the school.
Not always possible. Many are over subscribed. Choice is nothing but an illusion

You can choose to homeschool if rules are something you don't think you or your child should follow. It is a choice.

You don't get to choose the school most of the time.

Children have the right to an education. If rules are ridiculous it shouldn't be 'follow these ridiculous draconian rules or home educate', these are state schools.

@MintyMabel

That's another common misconception. That you "choose" the school. Not always possible. Many are over subscribed. Choice is nothing but an illusion

You can choose to homeschool if rules are something you don't think you or your child should follow. It is a choice.

Not really, most parents aren't capable of home schooling for many reasons.

In this case the school are being downright ridiculous, and cruel. They need to get over themselves

Its just a bloody earring. What a way to make a child lose any respect for you. What if she actually does something badly behaved and you've used one of your most serious punishments for an earring? How can she trust the school to make the right decisions when they've made such a poor call here?

A lot of these new heads come in and its like a power trip. It makes me really uncomfortable tbh

Not really, most parents aren't capable of home schooling for many reasons

So their choice is to follow the rules they signed up for, or lobby the school with the parent body to have a rule change.

They may not be choices you like, but they are choices nonetheless.

Agreeing to the rules then refusing to abide by them is never the right thing to do.

Children have the right to an education. If rules are ridiculous it shouldn't be 'follow these ridiculous draconian rules or home educate', these are state schools.

Children also have the responsibility to not cause disruption and to follow the rules they have also agreed to.

These are state schools which are allowed to make these kinds of rules if they wish. If children or parents don't agree with it there are better ways to try and change it than simply deciding you are too important to do the same as everyone else. No wonder schools have such strict rules when so many people think rules they don't agree with just don't apply to them.

@MintyMabel

Not really, most parents aren't capable of home schooling for many reasons

So their choice is to follow the rules they signed up for, or lobby the school with the parent body to have a rule change.

They may not be choices you like, but they are choices nonetheless.

Agreeing to the rules then refusing to abide by them is never the right thing to do.

But why not? What actual harm has come by this child having an earring?

This seems like a way for schools to set draconian rules and have no one question them, it gives schools power to do whatever they like and treat
children however they like, in this case in a cruel way. There are situations in life where we break rules all the time. Schools are public bodies, they are not (or shouldn't be anyway) private companies.

But why not? What actual harm has come by this child having an earring?
By deciding she can break the rules, which will lead others to do the same. Broken windows theory.

This seems like a way for schools to set draconian rules and have no one question them, it gives schools power to do whatever they like and treat children however they like, in this case in a cruel way.

The schools don't dictate that you can't question the rules. They dictate that you can't simply break them if you feel like it. Nobody has been refused permission to question the rules. Most likely people generally don't because for the vast majority of people, they aren't actually a problem.

There are situations in life where we break rules all the time. Schools are public bodies, they are not (or shouldn't be anyway) private companies.

Speak for yourself. Widespread rule breaking seemed not to be a problem prior to the covidiots. All public bodies have all sorts of rules you need to abide by, schools are no different. I was in hospital with DD last week. They have plenty of rules that seemed ridiculous to me. Should I just have ignored them because I felt like it?

And, not wearing jewellery isn't "draconian". Stop with the hyperbole.

My DD has a nose piercing. She wears a clear one for school usually but is enjoying the fact that they have to wear masks all the time now because the staff can't see it!

I never understand why parents are so happy to blindly follow school "rules" off a cliff.

Because that's what you agree to when you send your child to a particular school.

Not where the school management changes and the rules are suddenly changed after the child joins it, as was the case here.

Children also have the responsibility to not cause disruption and to follow the rules they have also agreed to.

Come off it, what choice do children realistically have to agree or otherwise?

But why not? What actual harm has come by this child having an earring?

By deciding she can break the rules, which will lead others to do the same. Broken windows theory.

This child didn't decide to break the rules. She did something within the rules which became against the rules because the school chose to change them. And she didn't decide to break the rules, she found herself in a position where she couldn't remedy the situation for reasons outside her control.

All public bodies have all sorts of rules you need to abide by, schools are no different

Indeed. So why should this school not be required to abide by the rule that it should provide full time education and the full national curriculum to all its pupils?

@GoodMumBadMum

I don't understand why they can't take them out themselves. Seems like the mum is creating the drama then moaning to the papers because her daughter isn't exempt from the school rules.

If you read an earlier post, you will understand that sometimes the balls can't be unscrewed without specialist tools.

@MintyMabel

Not really, most parents aren't capable of home schooling for many reasons

So their choice is to follow the rules they signed up for, or lobby the school with the parent body to have a rule change.

They may not be choices you like, but they are choices nonetheless.

Agreeing to the rules then refusing to abide by them is never the right thing to do.

They agreed to the rules when the child started the school, then the rules changed last month. Why should the child suffer? Surely the school agreed to her attending with the earring, and by your standards, shouldn’t be changing the goalposts once they’d agreed to it.

The parents may well be lobbying the school as well (and this story is probably part of that). It doesn’t sound like there was a lengthy consultation period for parents to express objections.

@MintyMabel

But why not? What actual harm has come by this child having an earring? By deciding she can break the rules, which will lead others to do the same. Broken windows theory.

This seems like a way for schools to set draconian rules and have no one question them, it gives schools power to do whatever they like and treat children however they like, in this case in a cruel way.

The schools don't dictate that you can't question the rules. They dictate that you can't simply break them if you feel like it. Nobody has been refused permission to question the rules. Most likely people generally don't because for the vast majority of people, they aren't actually a problem.

There are situations in life where we break rules all the time. Schools are public bodies, they are not (or shouldn't be anyway) private companies.

Speak for yourself. Widespread rule breaking seemed not to be a problem prior to the covidiots. All public bodies have all sorts of rules you need to abide by, schools are no different. I was in hospital with DD last week. They have plenty of rules that seemed ridiculous to me. Should I just have ignored them because I felt like it?

By your reckoning, you should have gone back to medical school and trained as a doctor, built your own hospital, and treated her at home?

Or is it just secondary teaching that is such a piece of piss that any untrained random can do it?

@Whatwouldscullydo

It also says mum is a beauty therapist, I bet she can get hold of the tool to remove it

You mean make a non.essential journey to a salon?

God a few weeks back.you'd have got lynched by the covid police for that. Now it's suddenly OK and essential to get a non infected earring removed?

Everyone else is having to wait til April to get stuff done. Why are schools so special u have to tie up the emergency service workers 🙄

Not that this child's piercings need a specialist tool, but if they did, Amazon sells everything.

It's how I took out my multiple piercings with CBRs to be certain I didn't have any issues at my recent MRI.

And if she's not confident in removing it?

Drs wouldn't touch mine when I was having dd2. I took out what I could but there were a few they wouldn't touch. I certainly wouldn't be confident in removing them myself.

@GoodMumBadMum What if it goes wrong. I thought we were protecting the NHS. Or is that only when it suits the narrative.