Fathers for justice

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I have a huge issue with this post but can’t articulate why.

I know you will hear me though.

Doing, not doping.

@echt it is underhand, making it about them rather than keeping the focus on the poor woman whom was snatched in the street and murdered (which is very very rare may I add). I don't mean all women no, I refer to the women that are shouting from the roof tops how terrible men are yet at the same time wishing to be seen as equal as men AT THE SAME TIME as demanding men make them feel safe. Tarring them all with the same brush all the while they have dads, brothers and most of them partners that are male, but it doesn't relate to THEM, just the rest of the general male population. It makes no sense.

Christ, ironic much?
Let's exploit the death of a woman and the reaction to it from women by complaining that women are exploiting the death of a woman......

[quote piedpiper1806]@echt it is underhand, making it about them rather than keeping the focus on the poor woman whom was snatched in the street and murdered (which is very very rare may I add). I don't mean all women no, I refer to the women that are shouting from the roof tops how terrible men are yet at the same time wishing to be seen as equal as men AT THE SAME TIME as demanding men make them feel safe. Tarring them all with the same brush all the while they have dads, brothers and most of them partners that are male, but it doesn't relate to THEM, just the rest of the general male population. It makes no sense. [/quote]
How do you know what the women on the rooftop were wishing to be seen? Mindreader?

How can a demonstration be underhand?

@Maverickess

Christ, ironic much? Let's exploit the death of a woman and the reaction to it from women by complaining that women are exploiting the death of a woman......

I think the new presence on MN has gone to piedpiper1806's head: addled their, ahem, thinking.

@echt well it's acting in a dishonest way claiming all men are the same which is not the case. They are claiming this due to one mans actions. Don't understand your other question. If you read back you will see it doesn't make sense.

No one sensible has said all men are the same. I don't think anyone sensible would support a curfew. But 'using', or some might say 'reacting to' this horrible murder in a way that might help prevent more of them is fine. The Times yesterday had an article about how several other women and a child were killed by men they knew the same day as Sarah Everard but that didn't make any news. There was nothing special about that day. It goes on constantly, usually behind closed doors.

I see this as a “straw that broke the camels back” crime. Not to take away from the horror of the tragically many other women murdered but sometimes such as George Floyd a crime motivates the affected group to rise up.

No one is saying “all men” but most of us have been harassed by men so it is many of them and these micro aggressions are the other end of the scale that ended in Sarah’s murder. And we are fucking fed up of it.

Particularly when we middle aged women see our teens now facing the same abuse and nothing has improved over the years. It’s depressing and enraging.

Piedpiper your post was entirely incoherent so am unable to respond to it.

Ahem... AHEM.

NO ONE HAS SAID ALL MEN ARE THE SAME.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT WOMEN FACE WITHOUT NEEDING TO CLARIFY THAT.

Disclaimer

If you feel that you are a man who does or intends to do harm to women, please hand yourself in to the nearest police station otherwise bugger off and stop complaining because we are not talking about you

The same goes for any woman who would defend a man with such intentions

I can explain.

Piedpiper basically cannot grasp why a woman being murdered on her way home has anything to do with other women or what relevance it might have to the fact that almost all women have experience of being harassed, threatened, assaulted or attacked by men.

Piedpiper also cannot fathom the difference between "all men are attackers" and "almost all attackers are men". (Pied: not everything with wheels is a car, but all cars have wheels. Does that help? Probably not.)

Pied sees the murder of Sarah Everard and feels sorry for men. That was murder, by the way, Pied, not "tragic death" - there's a difference between those things as well. It's basically the difference between dying of something like cancer or a car crash, and dying because a predatory man has decided that you should and he's going to be the one to do it.

Pied has a perception of being an independent thinker who sees the truth that has escaped the rest of us. Needless to say, Pied is wrong.

Pied also doesn't understand how to use an apostrophe which makes me think there's no point in trying to explain to him/her anything even vaguely complex or nuanced.

I absolutely LOATHE 'fathers for justice' for so many reasons already put posted here.

Some of the names people have called them, have had me choking on my toast with laughter. I'm not kidding!

I agree with a previous poster who said Fathers for Justice are a sack of cunts. They are.
I was beaten very badly on several occasions by my first husband 35 years ago when my son was very young sometimes leading to hospitalisation.
I had to go to a refuge and when I finally got my life sorted and he was refused any contact with his son by the courts he found out where I lived and his fathers for justice group terrorised me night and day at home and outside work.
This went on for 5 years before I finally had to move right out of the area for my own safety.
And these aresholes are STILL at it.

I'm sorry, I'm absolutely not belittling the subject matter. But...too many F4J stories I have heard, that in hindsight, are actually entertaining due to stupidity. I wonder if the antagonistic hypocrites know how much they are laughed at at times?

PAlienationuk out rank F4J in the soc league atm.

PAlienationuk got burned by f4j who rejected joining ranks with PA

PAlienation have been clutching at anything to get pa put under the domestic abuse bill.

The MRA play dirty & this thread would be just up there street to try desperately to get f4j support by saying they hate u there. Old news that!

They are ain’t women’s aid think they get to much money and the hate vitriol they have twds women.

Can’t imagine why the ex wife fled

Oh the analogue incels can fuck off - no one sensible will take them seriously.

It’s a long time since that organisation lost touch with its purpose.

Fathers for justice came to my family court hearing and riled up my ex (who is violent) who then went so nuts in court he was arrested and he tried to hurt me physically.

This dangerous group insight violence, rile up domestic abusers and are not interested in the events. They should be banned.

Can a parallel be drawn here between BLM and "All Lives Matter".

I'm a white, middle-class woman. I accept the fact that racism is a form of white violence and abuse against BAME people. So, when "we" as white people are asked to up our game, I don't have to take it personally or say it's upsetting me because not all white people are racists. I have to think: Okay, so do I have to up my game? Have I been unintentionally racist? Am I a true ally? What is the BLM movement saying? What should I do to play my part in making it better? Do I (and my DD) truly recognise our position of privilege?

Why can't men see that? Why is everyone taking this so personally?

If you don't go around slapping women's arses and sending them dick pics or following them home or upskirting them or forcing them into having sex with you then we're not talking about you. If you do your fair share of the tasks at home and carrying the mental load, then we're not talking about you. If you've not slapped or killed or tortured a woman, or got off on porn that depicts that or thought you'd like to do it, then we're not talking about you.

Listen to women. See if you recognise what they're saying in yourself or the men close to you. If you don't, then we're not talking about you. If you do, could you please help us do something about it?

@Littlepaws18

Fathers for justice came to my family court hearing and riled up my ex (who is violent) who then went so nuts in court he was arrested and he tried to hurt me physically.

This dangerous group insight violence, rile up domestic abusers and are not interested in the events. They should be banned.

My jaw almost hit the floor reading this

My abuser has too been heavily involved with them !! My god 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬