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Original poster

To think the internet should be a little more controlled...

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jobhunter7 · 13/03/2021 11:15

It shouldn't be possible to access hardcore pornography so easily...
It shouldn't be so easy to troll people...
There should be more controls before things go live to the entire universe...

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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 10:59

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51391981

A story about how hard it had been - when she was raped as a 14-year-old girl - for a girl to get a video of the attack removed from the popular porn website.

Shouldn't they be checking the parties were consensual BEFORE broadcasting them?

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trhfxbtht · 14/03/2021 11:05

You still haven't explained how exactly this will be implemented.

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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 11:26

@trhfxbtht

If you were referring to p4 posts...

Well if it was a blue website and they were broadcasting legal content rather than uploads, presumably porn stars sign contracts whilst rape victims don't...

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pointythings · 14/03/2021 11:48

I'm on board with stronger regulation around revenge porn. That does not mean we should hand control of the internet as a whole over to national governments. Address specific issues in a sensible way that does not curtail wider freedoms. Your idea is very, very dangerous.

Outoftheshadow · 14/03/2021 11:49

I too am at the age when I can remember life without the internet, I even remember laughing at those people who carried around those ‘mobile’ phones that looked like car batteries thinking they’d never catch on. I hate the easy accessibility of porn, that makes young people think that it’s normal and when they realise it’s not compatible with real life make some run for the knife to escape their ‘sex’ and others force ‘sex’ on those who are weaker. I’ve posted on another thread though about the internet. AI is prevalent in how this operates, who knows it may have ‘learnt’ self censorship all by itself based on the data it has accumulate from those using its platforms.

emilyfrost · 14/03/2021 12:04

[quote jobhunter7]@trhfxbtht

If you were referring to p4 posts...

Well if it was a blue website and they were broadcasting legal content rather than uploads, presumably porn stars sign contracts whilst rape victims don't...[/quote]
And here we have it. You know absolutely nothing about porn, yet you want to ban it.

trhfxbtht · 14/03/2021 12:05

I mean how, technologically, do you control the Internet?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 14/03/2021 13:34

How do you define the rather quaint word 'blue', OP? Some people would describe any comedian who uses the word 'knickers' or hints at 'a bit of how's your father' as blue; whereas others would consider anything that stops short of including children or animals as 'saucy' but not quite 'blue'.

It's a bit like swearing (as I alluded to before) - some people would only really consider maybe one or two extreme words as actual swearing; whereas others would write angry letters if they use the word 'damn' on the radio or TV.

As for the idea that everybody featuring in online porn has, with full knowledge of the consequences of what they're doing and without any coercion, voluntarily signed a contract to be filmed doing what viewers end up seeing them do.... I agree with the PP that you don't really seem to understand much about the internet.

I'm old enough to remember life without the internet, and I would most definitely not want to go back to not having it. It's revolutionised the world both for good and for bad; it's up to parents to protect their children and to choose to enjoy the good and thus reward the providers/content creators and spurn the bad - cut it off by choosing not to access it rather than simply banning it. If millions of people DO still choose to access it.... well, that's democracy and free society.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 14/03/2021 13:36

it's up to parents to protect their children and to choose

There was meant to be a 'for all adults' between 'and' and 'to choose' there.

StanfordPines · 14/03/2021 13:53

Like other posters on here I have been on the internet for a very long time. Back when the most searched phrase was Star Trek. I have never accidentally seen porn.

I completely agree that the accessibility of porn and the lack of regulation is a huge worry. Young people have lost all idea of what normal is.

However I don’t know what the answer is. There will always be porn. It doesn’t matter what you do, porn is like nature, it will find a way.

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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 13:53

As for the idea that everybody featuring in online porn has, with full knowledge of the consequences of what they're doing and without any coercion, voluntarily signed a contract to be filmed doing what viewers end up seeing them do...

Well I guess that further raises issues about that industry and how it operates...

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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 13:55

I completely agree that the accessibility of porn and the lack of regulation is a huge worry. Young people have lost all idea of what normal is.
However I don’t know what the answer is. There will always be porn. It doesn’t matter what you do, porn is like nature, it will find a way.

True. But it used to be just on the top shelf of the newsagent before...

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 14/03/2021 14:00

Well I guess that further raises issues about that industry and how it operates...

I agree with you very much on that. I just don't think it's as simple as saying that the internet is 1. Good Stuff and 2. Porn/Trolling - and then some big appointed world internet king or queen pressing button 1 to activate it and leaving button 2 switched off.

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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 14:13

As for the idea that everybody featuring in online porn has, with full knowledge of the consequences of what they're doing and without any coercion, voluntarily signed a contract to be filmed doing what viewers end up seeing them do...

Well I guess that further raises issues about that industry and how it operates...

Even with that mind... there does seem some difference between broadcasting an adult movie and letting people upload footage of teenage girls being raped without moderating it and letting the world to see and making money out of this...

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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 14:33

It's a bit like swearing (as I alluded to before) - some people would only really consider maybe one or two extreme words as actual swearing; whereas others would write angry letters if they use the word 'damn' on the radio or TV.

Well we always have previously had some level of censorship at what gets broadcast on radio or tv or what people could publish in the press before the rise of the web...

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pointythings · 14/03/2021 14:42

There's a massive difference between wanting to regulate the porn industry (which I would favour) and handing control of the Internet over wholesale to national governments.

Yes, there is some censorship already. Obvious things like Holocaust denial, hate speech and racism are controlled. And should be. However, what you are proposing would see the equivalent of for instance programmes like Holby City no longer being allowed to have storylines which are critical of government policy on the NHS. I'm surprised you can't see that.

StanfordPines · 14/03/2021 16:26

@jobhunter7

>I completely agree that the accessibility of porn and the lack of regulation is a huge worry. Young people have lost all idea of what normal is. >However I don’t know what the answer is. There will always be porn. It doesn’t matter what you do, porn is like nature, it will find a way.

True. But it used to be just on the top shelf of the newsagent before...

So accessible to anyone who was tall enough then....
I’m still waiting to hear what the answer is and where you think the internet is.

Also, what is with the creepy wee brackets? >

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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 16:32

@StanfordPines

I thought Mxflamingnoravera answered that.

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Onedropbeat · 14/03/2021 16:33

Why would so many think you are being unreasonable?!

StanfordPines · 14/03/2021 16:35

[quote jobhunter7]@StanfordPines

I thought Mxflamingnoravera answered that.[/quote]
Answered what?
Where the internet is (clue, it isn’t anywhere) or what is with the brackets?

StanfordPines · 14/03/2021 16:35

Or is this the internet?

To think the internet should be a little more controlled...
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jobhunter7 · 14/03/2021 17:48

I know this is a side point but wouldn't it also maybe perhaps be in the interest of adult content makers as well if there were more controls as i am assuming half of what is on the internet is not being shown by the actual copyright owners anyway... and they are losing money from this...

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Steelix · 14/03/2021 19:07

I still don't understand what exactly you're proposing or how it would be carried out.

StanfordPines · 14/03/2021 22:24

@Steelix

I still don't understand what exactly you're proposing or how it would be carried out.
Neither does the op.
mellicauli · 14/03/2021 22:29

I can see a future for the internet where we live in "gated communities" - so you pay to be a member of moderated communities which aren't spoiled by people full of hate, deluded conspiracy theorists , scam artists etc and if they try and join they get booted off.

The whole thing looked so good at the beginning, that "no rules" thing but think we're all beginning to see the benefit of some rules.