Gotten

[Catlover77]

AIBU to want to scream ‘it is not a word’ every time I read it on here? I have just read four threads with it in. All four people cannot possibly be American!

Has anyone raged about "can I get" yet?

What's wrong with "can I get"?

I'm remembering why I spend most of my time on Scotsnet these days

"What's wrong with "can I get"?

I'm remembering why I spend most of my time on Scotsnet these days hmm"

Nothing. I'm Scottish and use it frequently myself. Someone will be along in a minute to tell us how wrong we are though.

@changi

Apparently, it was in common use in Britain in the 18th century but what has suddenly triggered its re-emergence over the last couple of years?

Netflix? That’s my armchair linguist’s guess.

People have always moaned about Americanisms, but they’ve really got (gotten!) a foothold in the last few years. See also mad for angry and store for shop or supermarket. These are becoming standard.

I don’t like them. Not because I don’t like American words or Americans, but because it makes me sad to see linguistic diversity die. We’ve already lost regional differences to a large degree, and I wouldn’t like to see all the different flavours of English spoken around the world taken over by one type of US English.

I remember doing a tefl course years ago with people from various countries and how many different ways there were to say everyday things even within one country. Fascinating!

@Catlover77

AIBU to want to scream ‘it is not a word’ every time I read it on here? I have just read four threads with it in. All four people cannot possibly be American!

Well they can also be esol speakers who learned from a TV. Like me. I pronounce either two ways for example🙈

@NuniaBeeswax ah ok. It's really annoying isn't it. Like every October we have the same threads with people saying absolutely no one in the uk celebrated Halloween more than 10 years ago.

Because it’s old English I can give it a pass, I also find it rather sweet...

What annoys me (other than the classics like Upspeak and ‘what do you need?’ ‘Can I get’) is the way slight Americanisms have crept in - expiration not expiry date, driver’s not driving license, last name not surname, schedule pronounced Skedule - it feels like a STEALTH takeover.

Mind you, I have US colleagues who claim their kids have English accents because of Peppa Pig 🐷

It’s taught outside of England as the correct perfect tense of the verb ‘to get’.

Get-got-gotten.

We get along just fine.
We got along just fine.
If we’d gotten along...

It was engrained in my brain at age 10 that I should only use have/had with gotten.

I don’t use it much when I speak, because I actually learnt to speak English in modern day England. But I can’t bring myself to leave it out when writing, it would look so wrong. I would be disappointing my Y6 English teacher who bless her, tried so very hard to teach us irregular verbs and their apparently not so correct usage.

Hate it but language is fluid and changes amidst other social factors.

I use gotten, my mum uses it so did my Nana - yes that's right my Nana - should get another lot of teeth itching eejits going.
I also use Santa, can I get?, kids instead of children and I call my parents mummy and daddy and no I'm not wild posh or desperately childish. They're regional variations in how I speak. I haven't even touched on haitch yet

Normalcy ....normalcy ...sob..

"@NuniaBeeswax ah ok. It's really annoying isn't it. Like every October we have the same threads with people saying absolutely no one in the uk celebrated Halloween more than 10 years ago."

And heaven forbid anyone should say Santa instead of Father Christmas...

I noticed Harry saying gotten the other night.
He's very impressionable.

Drives me mad too!

@campion he's just speaking correctly.

Why was a pp typing ‘amongst’ and ‘whilst’ upthread. I will challenge anyone who threatens their usage to a duel !
Whew - I’ve gotten quite worked up there.

It is a word we use round these parts. Maybe different areas retain certain words or phrases.

It's in common use in Scotland.

Why do people get so angry about a word re-emerging?

We don’t seem to get all angry when they drop out of usage, but some people seem enormously and irrationally triggered when they come back. Why so resistant to change?

I kind of started to use that word years ago,when I lived in the USA for three years, and started to use the word garbage as well. I stopped saying these words when home again.. My late Mum always berated me for saying these two words, as I would write to her frequently and use these words that are common in the USA..

[quote shouldistop]@campion he's just speaking correctly. [/quote]
Depends how you define correctly. He's only just started saying it so it sounds a bit affected. I'm sure he could manage to say have got if he tried.
All that expensive education...wasted!

Atheist here but I have a fondness for ‘begotten’ (his only begotten son - as if perhaps he had some unbegotten offspring). Also ‘begat’.

'Begotten' is a lovely word.

I am in favour of gotten. I maybe biased as read I English Literature at University.

In fact so many be words are quite beautiful when you think about them like ‘bewildered’ ‘bemused’ - its ‘psychology’ is very human and comforting somehow.
Begorra.

My history teacher Mr Babbage would go mad if anyone ever used the word 'got because he said it was completely unnecessary. Fond memories of him yelling "you have, you have - you don't need to say you have got"