To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

[Overcastcloudy]

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

Hey Cokie perhaps you can help us out on the question of why we are all racists but Harry isn’t? See my posts yesterday - did ask you Friday when you were busy sprinkling ‘racist’ over everyone.

You seem in equally good form this morning, so perhaps you can finally explain why a confirmed racist, Harry, is a good person in your book?

@Cokie3

State schools are public schools. If Britain uses the wrong words, well, that's their issue not mine. But by basic common sense, a public school is open to the public. Hence PUBLIC. Private, is the word that Britain should be using. Private schools are the opposite of public.

‘Britain uses the wrong words’ - who’s being racist now?

Oh yes I see cokie clarified all her misconceptions about schools and surmised U.K. is wrong !

They really are a funny few posts, think maybe if she doesn’t understand public schools and that U.K. people are not stupid for using the term that we use. I doubt she understands about royalty and protocol and pecking order. Joining RF is like joining the army, not a fairytale.

Newspaper yesterday had Meghan’s now deleted blog page from the day W and K got married and she was watching it and talking about Princess Kate.

So she did not understand Kate would be princess on that marriage etc - I think Harry clearly didn’t put her straight that they are disappearing far from central view over next ten years as William’s children grow up. Harry led Meghan a merry dance of fairytale and princes . Then he tells her it’s because of racism.

Would NOT be princess on marrying William I mean

It’s also been proven that her claim of not going out was false

I wondered about that, and though I've not seen any proof either way it was a bit of a surprise when she said she'd not been out of the house for 4 months

I don't think she specified exactly when though, just as "who" wasn't disclosed in the racism claims, so I guess it would be (conveniently?) hard to check

Isn't it racist to describe a person as black when one parent is white?

@Marmaladeagain

Harry is now the equivalent of Prince Edward (who is son of the current Queen and will be the brother of the future King) in the current set up now that William has his own children.

Why are you not shouting that Prince Edward should have full time security and only gets it on official engagements? He is the son of the Queen. Harry will one day be a son of a King, but at the moment he is grandchild of the Queen.

Where' the outrage for Prince Edward's lack of security full time (sarcasm). If Prince Edward decided to live abroad would the taxpayer be paying for his security. No. No No no no ono....non no no

I think lots (including Harry) don't realise how far away from being important at royal events he is now that William has 3 children.

Same will happen to George's children in say 20 years as they will become direct in line and then Charlotte and Louis and their children will become irrelevant again.

Harry is already not important in terms of royal family - so it is disingenuous to try to blame racism. In fact, it is facile.

Eventually when William becomes King (ie. a long time in the future) then Harry would have become (but now won't) the equivalent of Princess Margaret (ie sibling of monarch) and Archie would have been same as Margaret's children in the current set-up, does that help understand how quickly Harry's relevance to royal family is dwindling?

Archie wouldn't have been the equivalent of Princess Margaret's children for a long while yet though, not until William comes to the throne.

Do you know who Princess Margaret's children are off the top of your head? I know some do, but I'm talking about the others that think Harry is a very important royal.....he's not. He's been indulged and thinks he is important, but he's not. Charles knows all this obviously but Harry can only see what he wants NOW I should get NOW.

It's not a fairy-tale, Harry lost his job of direct line to the throne which will now go through George, if something happened to George then it is Charlotte or Louis. Harry is irrelevant but the whole Diana love-in still means people think he's special.

Do you worry about Edward's security? Son of Queen, future brother of King. No didn't think so. Maybe now you'll notice what a fool Harry is making of himself.

This post sums up a lot of the issues around Harry’s current position and future position in the Royal Family. I’m not without sympathy - or at least understanding - of how he may feel at the moment. To put his position into context, prior to Prince William’s birth, the last male-line grandchildren of a sovereign in born in their lifetime was the Duke of Kent. The son of the fourth son, with no chance of ever being near the throne, he was always a minor Royal baby. His grandfather was dead a year later. His expectations will have been a world away from Harry’s.

Even if you compare Harry to Margaret, she grew up as the sovereign’s daughter, but when her father died (at which point the Queen already had two children), she instantly became less important, and did so for the rest of her life. Harry, by contrast, has grown up being told he will become MORE important one day. He’ll be the son of a King.

The issue is, circumstances have changed, and the ‘son of a King’ period still hasn’t happened. If the Queen had died at 80 (not an unreasonably young age), Harry’s ‘promotion’ would have happened at the age of 21. Second in line to the throne at 21, no sign of children for William to displace him... quite the position. But the Queen is still going - and if she takes after her mother, could still be around in five or even ten years. By which time Harry is an increasingly irrelevant middle-aged grandchild, and Charles is approaching/over 80. The ‘son of the King’ period that might have been expected to last twenty years could last as little as five - and there’s no ‘grace period’ while they wait for William to have children. George could be getting close to adulthood before even the Queen dies, never mind Charles.

It must be a bitter pill to swallow, knowing your moment in the spotlight is fading. But it is not without precedent. Harry must have seen how Andrew became less and less relevant once he and William reached adulthood. Now Harry has to understand that it is his turn. Archie is not yet entitled to be a Prince, and even if Meghan is correct that the plan is that he never will be one (remember that ‘I think’), will the public be that bothered by that time? One particularly vocal poster on this thread has already talked about ‘getting rid of the extraneous princesses’, yet in the same breath decried the Royal Family as racist for not changing protocol for Archie - who, while two places higher in line to the throne than Princess Beatrice, is generationally further away from the monarch. Archie is not more special than ‘extraneous’ royals - he is an extraneous royal.

As @Marmaladeagain says, a lot of people would struggle to name David and Sarah Armstrong-Jones - yet they were only Viscount and Lady rather than Prince and Princess by the virtue of being female-line grandchildren. If Margaret had been born a boy, she would have displaced the Queen the moment she was born, and David wouldn’t be David Linley, designer furniture maker now - he’d be King. Charles would be the King’s cousin - and who would the King’s cousin’s grandchild be? Nobody.

Hopefully this shows just easy it is for Royals to slip down the ranks. ‘Palace won’t make mixed-race Royal a Prince’ is a great headline for Meghan’s supporters - but it utterly ignores the reality of Archie’s position.

Yes coughing: "Hopefully this shows just easy it is for Royals to slip down the ranks. ‘Palace won’t make mixed-race Royal a Prince’ is a great headline for Meghan’s supporters - but it utterly ignores the reality of Archie’s position."

That's a good summary of events. It does take head space to work out what we both can see - so I understand WHY some don't understand how Harry's marriage as a bit like his last hurrah before he starts the public slipping down of the ranks.

I didn't name Margaret's children in order to leave those that are most angry spouting "racist" to do a bit of research and find out how hard it is to find the very private lives they lead.

Doesn't fit Oprah's narrative at all though, does it?

Oprah thinks she opened a can of worms. However, she didn't actually read the label on the tin can beforehand - it says:

"contents may look like worms, but if you add a bit of critical thinking they turn into delicious daylight on the situation. Eat up, doesn't taste as good as calling others "racist" but daylight is good for you."

Bit of research Oprah and telling the UK we "do it wrong" as in Cokie with the public school comments are "wrong" might explain a bit of the whole mess that Harry has maliciously created.

I think malicious is all it can be seen as, H knows the above that Coughing and I have both highlighted. He knows, but chose to tell M they're being treated differently because she's mixed race.

I think malicious is all it can be seen as, H knows the above that Coughing and I have both highlighted. He knows, but chose to tell M they're being treated differently because she's mixed race.

Ok so on first watch of the interview I was a bit 😮 but not overly surprised at the angle that was being presented. During the week, I was thinking ok, let's look at what we definitely know and where are the gaps/why are there gaps etc. Having now done my analysis I have come to the same conclusion as Marmalade, I think his behaviour has been purely malicious and he has been very selective in what he has chosen to tell her and he has, as a previous poster upthread said, led MM a merry dance.

He knows, but chose to tell M they're being treated differently because she's mixed race.

I also wanted to add that if he has played the race card purely for his own ends (especially with his past history) then that is about as low as you can possibly go.

@Felifox

Isn't it racist to describe a person as black when one parent is white?

I’ve wondered this too, my DC is mixed race, sometimes people refer to him as black. I always correct and say mixed race. DH also refers to him as black. My DS is only young, I’d prefer for him to be called mixed race right now. As he gets older he may choose to identify as black. Which would be absolutely okay. But as he’s young I like him to be referred to as he is. But later in life it’s his choice to make

I've given this headspace this week.
I even read it back online , which tends to make more sense actually than watching it.
There are things there I didnt pick up at first.
Nobody comes out of this looking good but Harry is the main culprit.
He is spoilt and privileged and didn't understand any of the situations or how they might look. He treated her appallingly really and now blaming everyone else.
Lots went wrong : the Royals are not perfect at all. Being racist isn't a big revelation :(
Maybe they can't communicate that well?
Find it hard to air their grievances? I have a feeling a few of them are just repressed and just can't talk about it? All that therapy they had hasn't worked.

@CecilyP

There is not evidence at all that she lied about anything.

The one definite lie was about them already being married in a secret ceremony (just the 3 of them) 72 hours before the big wedding. This simply could not happen.

In the same way there is no evidence that her claims are true either. Many of her claims can easily be disproved, eg 'they' confiscated her passport yet she made many foreign trips.

One of the newspapers papers has found a blog written by Meghan. She was writing about William and Kate's wedding at the time it happened. It has a put down of Kate and everything.

So here claims not to know much about the royal family or Harry before she met him are rubbish.

A while back some old school friends were interviewed and said she used to adore Diana.

Also in the book written about her by one of her mouthy mates that is always being interviewed. He describes how she told him she cried watching Diana funeral. The book was approved by her before publication.

Well that puts a different SCI. On things @Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum ! Once you found out someone's a liar it's hard to believe anything.

Not sure where SCI came from, it should say spin!

A lot of what was said by Megan in the interview has been shown to be untrue. Maybe the racism allegation is also untrue.

Exactly @Mayra1367 but I presume to question would be racist?

A good article in the Guardian on this

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/14/meghan-harry-uk-renewal-if-britain-can-process-history

Meghan has been very cunning with her claim on the RF being racist because she knows if people question it based on her personality...it will seem as though they are racist. She knows that very well.

Prince Harry wouldn’t divulge who said it or what they said, which was very cowardly of him. He trashed them over everything else, divulging his Dad cut him off financially etc so why did him and Meghan want to ‘protect’ a racist.

If anyone is interested a poster on another thread mentioned some videos on you tube by HG Tudor on Narcissism. They are really interesting and he has done some specifically on the Oprah interview.

I think there is NPD in action and have thought this for the last couple of years, however, I think my radar may have been pointing in the wrong direction so I’m rowing back slightly on my earlier post as to who is the likely main driver in this whole shambles.

Harry is 100% the person to blame - he oversold his future role on offer in royal family. He misrepresents centuries of protocols and the requirement to rev accountable to the public and tells her it is racism.

We all know Charles was going to slim roles down further when he comes to the throne.

Harry is an unimportant member of the family now William has children and the line goes through George.

Harry is the known and proven racist. Harry is the problem.

The bullying claims will be shocking when we hear further. They haven’t been able to deal with the staff accusations whilst Meghan was busy with court and her father’s note that he passed to a paper. The solicitors are now in place and able to take the complaints from the palace about M bullying staff.

Hopefully as more see Harry is the problem and n doesn’t have a clue how irrelevant Harry is in our constitutional moncarchy things will settle down a bit.

They will be irrelevant to U.K and look daft trying to insert themselves still in our affairs. Goodbye Harry.

I think it will all calm down. The Royal Family are right to say as little as possible. The more a lot of people say on twitter and elsewhere the more harm they do. Least said, soonest mended particularly within families.

m doesn’t have a clue I mean

I think claims of racism need to be taken very seriously and investigated otherwise the world would become like this thread where people throw ‘racist’ out at every poster that doesn’t agree with them.

Shutting down debate is what they’re trying to achieve on the thread. Equally so in real life via Oprah and the grand vague statements. No, Harry should absolutely to be held to account and investigated .

As we’ve seen with Harry’s shenanigans and this defence that his p**i colleague in the army thought it was funny - people need it out in the open to demonstrate what will and won’t be tolerated.

Shutting down debate will not be tolerated either, so investigate away and Harry needs to be held accountable for his accusation of his family member. Some things are unforgivable too and I don’t think I’d ever look Harry in they eye if he was in my family after playing the victim whilst saying someone else said something racist.

Just as well his friend in the army didn’t go on tv to explain to Harry exactly why he went along with the ‘joke’ as it wasn’t actually funny.

Harry is a hypocrite.