To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

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... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

In a nutshell, a person with a known racist history has announced to the whole world that a member of his own family is racist and that he is appalled by their behaviour (but doesn’t actually name the person). Not happy with that there is further wittering on about how he only has $13m whilst people in the real world have died and lost their businesses and jobs.

PH’s known racism can’t be justified or excused so the default for some seems to be to just ignore it.

It makes it quite difficult to actually have a sensible and serious discussion when certain people refuse to acknowledge the hypocrisy of the situation.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum if it turns out they gave Harry counselling but refused to it MM they deserve a backlash to be fair. I don’t like her but if she was struggling they could have given her help.

Like Marmalade says, they really needed to follow through with all their claims with the proof they have and names.

I think the thing about her emails that the her mates on the internet don't get is they probably only show what she felt at the time. At least if she is being honest and the palace staff blanking her. So it should be a good indication if they exist of her feelings (mental health). Though not necessarily why this blanking came about. Which is something else completely

Yes, agree with those posts above too.

Might need to start with a few lessons to Harry on why he's now become very unimportant to the monarchy going forward, due to William's children not because they don't like him or his wife or his child. What absolute awful shit to spray around.

Might need to start with his wife and how he strung her a merry dance of their potential future role within the monarchy. I'm sure she'd realise it's the truth - she's certainly a lot brighter than he is, but being from the US can completely understand why she thought it was 100% different.

I've heard it described as more akin to joining the army, ranks, protocol and rules etc.

Harry didn't tell M did he?

@StormzyinaTCup I agree, he has looked unhappy and very stressed for a long time and the cold detached way he spoke about his family was really strange. Especially knowing the world knows of his racism.

I think MM isn’t very well either and they feed off each other.

Do you think she hasn’t experienced racism from the royal family? Why would she lie?

No. I blame Harry for a lot of this. I think he has consistently filled Meghan's head with nonsense about the RF and about protocol.

@Marmaladeagain I agree and think he failed to prepare her properly - especially that they’d be playing second fiddle to Will and Kate and also failed to help her properly with her MH.

Yes, and in time it wouldn't even be second fiddle.

As George and siblings grow up then Harry's importance dwindles further and Harry would be playing percussion in the next room, not second fiddle anymore.

So looking at a future of dwindling importance and becoming a Prince Edward - not really what he sold to his wife.

I agree. Harry must of let Meghan think the royal life was more glamorous. That an not explaining every child Kate pushes out makes him less relevant. He definitely has not told he enough about the running of the family and protocols. Else she is a better actress than people think.

The whole interview mirrors a lot of the now famous Diana one. The sighing. The positive start, then the ' they locked me away..'
talk. So many things were similar really.
Her photos they release are all film stills. The one in the rain reminds of me of four weddings and a funeral.
The one in the garden is like the one from Notting hill. All beautifully staged.
She is a fantasist. He is depressed and a bit lost.
Maybe he didn't tell her enough about how they operate or she just filled in the blanks for herself then found it ' insufferable' ( his words)
It's because she couldn't play second fiddle to Kate. She all needs the attention to be about her.,
Lots of people around like it men and women.

I can well believe Harry didn't explain it very well at all or even attempt to - just left M with her own assumptions.

No-one has ever tried to dampen Harry's enthusiasm - the slightly lost uncle whose dreams were becoming beyond the reality of a constitutional monarchy and not recognising his role would be "doting uncle to Prince George" one day.

Still not recognising his diminishing importance within the royals going forward.

So gone off trading on his royal name and selling pity porn party to the US who don't remotely understand anything about what the royal family represent in in our political system etc.

What a mess Harry.

@Firstbellini

Harry was on film using racist slurs about people, so surely we do know he is (or was) a racist.

Those attitudes tend to be learned in the home/family from childhood. Which makes it more likely somebody in his family said racist things, not less.

However, why did he tell his wife? It would have made her more vulnerable, realising that in truth, the family he had promised her weren't as they had appeared. More dependent upon him. Just as she's more vulnerable due to being pregnant. And then there's the 'oh, by the way, i didn't mention it before because I didn't want to upset you, but Grandma owns the baby. We can't do anything without her permission. Same happened to me and my brother when my parents split up - she couldn't chose our school, where we lived, make any decisions for us without the Queen giving permission.'

Needy, clingy, controlling, manipulative. I don't think it's the woman here who fits this description.

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The whole interview mirrors a lot of the now famous Diana one. The sighing. The positive start, then the ' they locked me away..' talk. So many things were similar really. Her photos they release are all film stills. The one in the rain reminds of me of four weddings and a funeral. The one in the garden is like the one from Notting hill. All beautifully staged. She is a fantasist. He is depressed and a bit lost. Maybe he didn't tell her enough about how they operate or she just filled in the blanks for herself then found it ' insufferable' ( his words) It's because she couldn't play second fiddle to Kate. She all needs the attention to be about her., Lots of people around like it men and women.

You missed the same make up as the Diana interview. Dark eyeliner done in a particular way and exactly the same lip colour. Really hoping that was a amazing a coincidence 🤦‍♀️

Those attitudes tend to be learned in the home/family from childhood. Which makes it more likely somebody in his family said racist things, not less.

Not necessarily, he would have spent a lot of his formative years in public school which, 25/30 years ago, was not exactly a richly diverse multicultural environment.

Those attitudes tend to be learned in the home/family from childhood. Which makes it more likely somebody in his family said racist things, not less.

I thought the same but then my DH who is ex army said those words are used very, very frequently by some soldiers.

I thought the same but then my DH who is ex army said those words are used very, very frequently by some soldiers.

Agree, I think I mentioned on here (or maybe another thread, can’t quite remember now ) that he went straight from public school (which then would have very much been a cocoon of white privilege) into the Army which was well known for some pretty unacceptable views and behaviours. If I was to take a bet where he got those views it would be one or the other of those (or most likely both) rather than be pointing the finger at the RF.

He said “we’re absolutely not a racist family” he’s allowed to defend himself.

I thought ‘never complain, never explain’ was a particular RF virtue?

If I was to take a bet where he got those views it would be one or the other of those (or most likely both) rather than be pointing the finger at the RF.

So you don’t think his grandfather, on the record for calling people ‘slitty eyed’ had any impact or is indicative in any way of wider attitudes among the royals?

Philip would definitely have had some influence. Even with Harry at boarding school most the time. He was notorious in the 80s when on walk about.

So you don’t think his grandfather, on the record for calling people ‘slitty eyed’ had any impact or is indicative in any way of wider attitudes among the royals?

My grandad, now long departed, was known for some similar type of questionable comments, however, that is not in anyway indicative in any way of wider attitudes in my family. If someone was to assume/speculate that to be the case I would not be dealing with it as politely as William.

If someone was to assume/speculate that to be the case I would not be dealing with it as politely as William.

I find it pretty extraordinary that people are so keen to point to other influences in Harry’s life when his grandfather is on the record in indulging in significant racial slurs.

But ah, the lies people tell themselves.