To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

[Overcastcloudy]

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

@Tzigane by the same token, do you take Meghans word for gospel? Because she’s said it and other questionable things? Is it so that because she has said it I, as a BAME have to believe her? Please!

As I’ve said before. If what was said to Harry was an actual concern of skin colour you bet that I as is wife would be outing that person with full force and make them suffer the consequences. What they have done is try to trash everyone by being vague.

@Tzigane why are you judging the racism I have received or questioned it? Are you the arbiter of every single BAME person?

[quote Topmum66]@Tzigane is that so well I suppose you need to have a word with yourself then you can’t even see the inverse hypocrisy.

I am a BAME woman. You disgust me trying to call me racist. Do a better job of defending race.[/quote]
I guessed that from your posts. Anyone can have racist attitudes. There's plenty of intra ethnic racism.

It's upsetting to see a woman of colour come out with such vitriolic abuse of another woman of colour, and a complete dismissal of her experience.

Whether it's because she's mixed race or because she's wealthy...no idea what your motives are.

Missing the point that people aren't saying someone's experience of racism doesn't count. People are saying no sorry love to vage and conflicting a story. Surrounded by other stories that anyone can Google to prove you are lying.

I do think she would have experienced racism here. Just like she has in America and would in most countries.

However with this tale if she gives no details or name I won't hang a whole family for it. What descent person would.

@Tzigane

For posters so belligerently belittling of racial issues there's a disproportionately keen interest in who-made-the-racist-comment. Far more concern than for the people it was said to.

Because revealing who said it would prompt follow-up questions. At the moment we’re expected to believe it, no questions asked.

One thing that boils my blood a lot is when you get someone labelling a person a traitor to their race because they don't say what you want them too.

Sicko

[quote Topmum66]@Tzigane why are you judging the racism I have received or questioned it? Are you the arbiter of every single BAME person?[/quote]
I'm not judging or questioning the racism you have experienced, quite the opposite, I'm taking you to task for doing that to someone else.

@Tzigane vitriolic abuse because I said I don’t believe she suffered racism at the hands of the royal family? I would say yes, there is intra ethnic racism and I am experiencing it sadly from you. Can you not see how racist you are being to me by calling me racist? I think you need to reflect and allow other BAME people (I am not alone) that think she didn’t suffer racism to share their opinion without calling them racist for it. The racist is in fact you.

[quote Tzigane]@Topmum66

So you're suddenly interested in what black people have to say when they support your world view, but dismiss them when they don't. Ace.

It's offensive slash racist imo to imply anyone thinks M should be believed "just because she's mixed race".[/quote]
And yet you’ve tried to shut down anyone who doesn’t take her words as gospel.

@Tzigane I hadn’t called anyone racist and haven’t been racist to Meghan. You are not taking me to task you are looking like a fool.

[quote Topmum66]@Tzigane I hadn’t called anyone racist and haven’t been racist to Meghan. You are not taking me to task you are looking like a fool.[/quote]
Agree

Absolutely agree too. What a hollow hearted fool.

[quote Topmum66]@Tzigane by the same token, do you take Meghans word for gospel? Because she’s said it and other questionable things? Is it so that because she has said it I, as a BAME have to believe her? Please!

As I’ve said before. If what was said to Harry was an actual concern of skin colour you bet that I as is wife would be outing that person with full force and make them suffer the consequences. What they have done is try to trash everyone by being vague.[/quote]
I don't particularly take her word as gospel, why should I?

Given that you've never met her, it's rather odd that you're so beyond certain she's lying. How would you know?

If the person were outed specifically the consequences would be more severe for them personally.

I don't personally want to know or need to know. Apart from anything else they may regret it now and recognise that it was not their finest hour. Perhaps they have learnt. Aside from a lot of screaming in the press, I don't see what naming them would achieve.

I don’t get it, how can anyone shay categorically that Mm didn’t suffer racism in the RF?

She says she said. Honestly why would you doubt it?

If someone says they felt suicidal, would you’d ay I don’t believe it? Well if you are Piers Morgan, yes. But any sane person, no.

Agree @Tzigane

Lots of typos 😃 she said she did...and why would you disbelieve that?

Honestly, we need a me too movement for minority women who face racism and misogyny

@Tzigane that is your opinion and as a fellow BAME I respect that.

And I disagree. I discern an ulterior motive in withholding the name. It’s poured shame and doubt on all of them.

I would 100% out the person who disgustingly was ‘concerned’ about Archie if he were my son and let them face the consequences. And there’s no way you’d catch me moaning about his title on one hand and saying it was a hateful, racist institution on the other.

Given that you've never met her, it's rather odd that you're so beyond certain she's lying. How would you know?

Well presumably you’ve never met her either - but you seem ‘beyond certain’ she’s telling the truth.

You ever point the finger firmly at a person or don't talk publicly about it. Simple!

Harry and Meghan's way subjects a whole family to false finger pointing

If someone says they were abused by a teacher at your child's school but won't say who. What would happen. Think about how it would be for all the staff there. Especially ones seem as prime suspects by parents.

@Sprining I don’t get it, how can anyone say she did?

Where did I ever say she CATEGORICALLY did? I said I didn’t believe her.

Deary me, do better.

[quote Topmum66]@Tzigane vitriolic abuse because I said I don’t believe she suffered racism at the hands of the royal family? I would say yes, there is intra ethnic racism and I am experiencing it sadly from you. Can you not see how racist you are being to me by calling me racist? I think you need to reflect and allow other BAME people (I am not alone) that think she didn’t suffer racism to share their opinion without calling them racist for it. The racist is in fact you.[/quote]
I think you need to reflect and allow other poc to voice their own experiences without viciously belittling them and calling them liars. Saying their experiences aren't 'real'.

Expressing an opinion that she didn't experience racism is meaningless as you weren't there, don't know, and have no idea what her previous life experiences are.

If you had actually been there at the time it would be different. But even them no-one can gainsay how other people experience life.

@StillCoughingandLaughing

Given that you've never met her, it's rather odd that you're so beyond certain she's lying. How would you know?

Well presumably you’ve never met her either - but you seem ‘beyond certain’ she’s telling the truth.

I usually give people the benefit of doubt.

How odd that you don’t... or is it only in this instance because it is MM?

@Sprining

Lots of typos 😃 she said she did...and why would you disbelieve that?

Honestly, we need a me too movement for minority women who face racism and misogyny

Sorry but it is people like you and your mate T that took the MeToo movement and made it less powerful

Are you saying that minority women who experience racism as well as misogyny make the me too movement less powerful?

Is the me too only for white women?

@Tzigane you lost me at accusing me of being a racist, then inversely accusing me of vitriolic abuse when you are openly abusing me and judging me.

But anyway, let me break it down for you so that hopefully you can stop your relentless quest to silence my opinion of your beloved Meghan.

There are things called opinions. I am BAME and am entitled to an opinion different to yours. You see? It’s quite simple really. You see, you labelling me and other BAME people who do not agree with you racist on their opinion of MM is incredibly ignorant and offensive.

Falling back on ‘but you weren’t there’ is very weak. Because neither were you. Yet you still have your opinion. I am not calling you any names because of your opinion but I am calling you racist on your words to me.