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To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

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Overcastcloudy · 11/03/2021 14:14

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

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Overcastcloudy · 11/03/2021 21:27

Does this anti-Meghan conspiracy theory have its own nickname? Like the Flat Earthers, or QAnon?

I'm new to this.

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Tzigane · 11/03/2021 21:29

A lot of what she (and he) said during the interview is false. I don't know if I'd say a lie, but clearly incorrect

Because you know the truth of course, as you were there.

Tzigane · 11/03/2021 21:31

A bit of research on Oprah's part would have seen questions arise about Meghans numerous foreign trips when she said she couldn't go anywhere, the wedding mentioned here, the fact that the queens other great grand children aren't princes/ess'

This is just so lazy. A bit of research like - RTFT - might have prevented your repetition of errors.

HunterHearstHelmsley · 11/03/2021 21:42

@Tzigane

A lot of what she (and he) said during the interview is false. I don't know if I'd say a lie, but clearly incorrect

Because you know the truth of course, as you were there.

What the hell? There were things said that are factually untrue and proven to be untrue. Unless you are trying to claim that the 1917 Letters Patent doesn't exist, or that Harry never rode a bike as child, even when there is photographic evidence proving otherwise.

It must be a figment of my imagination.

fluffysocks89 · 11/03/2021 22:05

Everything can be construed as racism, so no point in discussing it.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 11/03/2021 22:27

My guess is william hasn't called harry yet as the Queen wants to sort this out
She seems to still be someone they would talk to and maybe the one that can build bridges if they can be done.
Maybe william also knew of some of this we have no way of knowing that
The interview didn't give full details if anything but people have jumped in with what may of happened etc
I think if you are making such a serious allegation then yes you do name and explain , it could be anyone that said it and why did he not pull them at the time
PH himself has made racist comments so therefore he must realise that whoever said it needs to be challenged
A better interview would of addressed Harry's use of certain words as well and I wonder if Meghan is aware as she hadn't googled him etc and it was some time ago

DebbieGetsTheJobDone · 11/03/2021 22:37

@fluffysocks89

Everything can be construed as racism, so no point in discussing it.
the mind boggles.
fluffysocks89 · 11/03/2021 22:49

It sure does.

twelly · 11/03/2021 22:56

I think it must be so upsetting to have allegations made by your own family to the whole world

StillCoughingandLaughing · 11/03/2021 23:01

“I think even with that convention I’m talking about, while I was pregnant, they said they want to change the convention for Archie.” She said it was “not their right to take it away”.

“I think” covers a multitude of sins. It allows to make a claim without anyone being able to call you an outright liar - and if it IS proven you were wrong, all you have to do is say “I never said it was definite - that was the situation as I saw it at the time”, or similar.

As for it was “not their right to take it away”, that is just plain wrong. Meghan made several references to the protocol set in place by George V in 1917 - very specific for someone who claimed she didn’t even Google the royal family before joining them; almost as if she’d been briefed somehow. Yet apparently, she has failed to grasp that if one sovereign can lay down rules regarding who is and isn’t entitled to be a Prince or Princess, another sovereign (i.e. Charles) can change them.

fluffysocks89 · 11/03/2021 23:08

The royals love their meaningless titles don’t they. Meanwhile the rest of us just want to get by the best we can.

FireflyRainbow · 12/03/2021 00:31

OP YABU. She lied too easily about the prince thing and when she started saying stuff that can be proven to be a lie, when she is that sure of herself to make stuff up about something that can be proved that shes lieing, well...
she could be lieing about anything. Absolutely mind blown at that interview.

FireflyRainbow · 12/03/2021 00:34

She clearly suffers with her mental health and I hope she is now able to get some help.

Firstbellini · 12/03/2021 01:00

So this could make many countries leave the Commonwealth.

Is Markle opposed to the Commonwealth?

If yes, why did she decide to become a Duchess of a Commonwealth? Why is she still a Duchess? Surely you can renounce a title.

If no, why has she revealed all this damaging stuff in an interview?

Surely global political events are more important than whether or not your in laws are vile racists.

Builtthiscityontoiletrolls · 12/03/2021 04:27

Why is it a conspiracy against Meghan, when people just might not like her or agree with what they’re doing/saying. You’re forthcoming with your opinions yet others aren’t allowed an opinion? I also think people are quick to blame William/charles/Phillip for the racism while being entirely forgiving of Harry with his racist past.

phoenixrosehere · 12/03/2021 04:31

*So this could make many countries leave the Commonwealth.

Is Markle opposed to the Commonwealth?

If yes, why did she decide to become a Duchess of a Commonwealth? Why is she still a Duchess? Surely you can renounce a title.

If no, why has she revealed all this damaging stuff in an interview?

Surely global political events are more important than whether or not your in laws are vile racists.*

There were already countries within the Commonwealth seeking independence and/or looking to remove the Queen as their head of State before the interview so to blame Meghan is ridiculous.

news.sky.com/story/which-countries-recognise-queen-elizabeth-as-head-of-state-12073304

SmeleanorSmellstrop · 12/03/2021 05:39

I like Meghan and Harry recently and am 100% on team them, but in William's defence - as you said, she's the only black member of the family so... Obviously they have two choices? Say nothing or get a white person to comment.

SmeleanorSmellstrop · 12/03/2021 05:42

@FireflyRainbow

She clearly suffers with her mental health and I hope she is now able to get some help.
Absolutely disgusting comment. Whatever side you're on, its sickening to use mental health as a passive aggressive insult, which is clearly what this comment is. Other than one comment saying she felt suicidal as the result of extraordinary stress, she doesn't seem to have mental health issues at all. Please educate yourself about why this type of passive aggressive insult is damaging.
gottakeeponmovin · 12/03/2021 06:28

@Tzigane I haven't rtft so perhaps I haven't done research - but then I'm not being paid 9m to do so

Blockedoff · 12/03/2021 06:29

And as he knew this question was coming - in some form or another - he should have been prepared with a better answer.

Like what? No matter what he said it would've been wrong!

So what was the right answer then?

Xenia · 12/03/2021 07:26

The transcript says
"Meghan.... I was thinking about it — even at our wedding, you know, three days before our wedding, we got married . . . 

Oprah: Ah!

Meghan: No one knows that. But we called the Archbishop, and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world, but we want our union between us’. So, like, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury, and that was the piece that . . . 

Harry: Just the three of us.

Oprah: Really?

Harry: Just the three of us.

Meghan: Just the three of us."

She did not get married 3 days before her wedding. That is not possible in English law or the rules of the Church of England. However she might not know what "married" means as she is not a lawyer so some of these things might just be that she did not know or chose not to check before the interview.

Frogartist · 12/03/2021 07:35

It is sad that they consider their wedding "a spectacle".

HeadNorth · 12/03/2021 07:49

@Frogartist

It is sad that they consider their wedding "a spectacle".
Not really. I considered my wedding a public performance - a spectacle if you will - mainly for the benefit of my family. What mattered to me then, and now, is my marriage, which is quite separate from dresses and flowers.

I agreed OP, it was a poor take from William, who surely should have been prepared for such a question. Without doubt there is racism in the RF - none of them have publically condemed Philip's casual racism. A more humble and reflective tone - I am sorry about the upset caused and as a family we will reflect on this, type thing - would have been more appropriate.

miserablecat · 12/03/2021 07:50

The phone call to the archbishop of Canterbury sounds quite casual that "they" as in Harry and Meghan just arranged it secretly between themselves without having to go through "The Firm"
That in itself is not unusual I know several people who have had one small legal wedding, and later a big "main wedding" either for religious reasons , or budget reasons.(Although I thought you needed witnesses at a legal wedding)
But later it seemed neither of them were able to make private phone calls themselves, or access outside help for her MH without going through other staff members.

Parker231 · 12/03/2021 07:57

In France and Belgium (and probably other countries) only civil marriage ceremonies are legally recognised. After the civil ceremony, which must take place at a registry office, you can then have a church or other ceremony as part of the celebration but this is not required.
The Sussex wedding was a spectacle- everything they did watched by millions and open to criticism for whatever they did. Perhaps they viewed their private wedding three days earlier their real wedding.