To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

[Overcastcloudy]

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

Well @Sprining said it better. X post.

@derxa You are victim-blaming. To call Harry 'cruel and vindictive' defies belief is absolutely disgraceful of you! It's clear harry (and Meghan) has suffered so much from his cruel and vindictive family. What you are doing is gaslighting and victim-blaming the victims for daring to speak out, and giving the actual cruel and vindictive racist family a free pass. How the f does that even make sense to you? Despite asking for his family to come out and correct statements made about Meghan his family through her to the wolves and hence would NOT deal with it at the time. Leaving Harry and Meghan no alternative but to come out to correct the public record that was leading to Meghan getting DEATH THREATS and RAPE THREATS!!

As I said previously I am so impressed with how dignified Harry and Meghan have been throughout the whole ordeal. They have been treated like shit, dragged through the mud, abused, had rape and death threats (death threats even against Archie!) and the gave one interview to justly clear the air. Most decent people I would think, would applaud them for the dignified way they have handled this, I know most people would have gone under a LONG time ago! They've earned my respect. I am also glad my daughter looks up to Meghan as a role model. Anyone criticising these two people who have been victims with no recourse until now, should be deeply ashamed of themselves.

@homebird46

Clarinsmum - your post made me laugh out loud. I was a lawyer in a previous life, so would wager I have a stronger grasp of constitutional law than you do.

In which case you will be able to explain quite easily what point of constitutional law clarinsmum got wrong.

Go on.

What is this forum's problem with a first unnofficial/second wedding? It is VERY common in Europe and in America. It was quite sweet I thought.

This is what I and other people are talking about regarding the irrational, desperate and petty hate. So she had an unofficial ceremony.

WOW. Capital crime! geesus some of you people need to stop being so narrow-minded and petty. 'en hell! Christ almighty!

Even after being shown undeniable facts. There will always be those who bend over backwards excusing an abhorrent racist view.

“they didn’t mean it that way”

“They were just being curious”

“It’s was casual racism”

“She can’t be racist, she’s married to a black man”

“My kids are mixed and I wasn’t offended by it”

“We haven’t heard the whole story“

Seriously I despair.

In this country it's called a 'blessing', in the US where even Vegas weddings stand it counts as a wedding.

This 100%!

The best thing for all of them would be to be left alone to work it through for themselves

I do wish someone had said this to Meghan before she sold her soul on a world stage, throwing many under the bus whilst she compared herself to a Disney Princess. A fame-seeking narc and if any of her family members posted on MN you'd all be screaming red flag! Run for the hills!

I am on another thread where a poster is convinced that the UK is the LEAST racist country on the planet, and - I quote because it's so beautiful -

but crying racist over every single thing dilutes it.

@BlackBucketOfCheese

MN truly is a festering pit of racists who never want to hear from minorities.

Yes it is hard to hear you’re racist but hey, why not use this as a time to learn and better yourself?

Unfortunately this is the truth. The racism is worse here than other forums I've posted on.

@SpaceRaiders

Even after being shown undeniable facts. There will always be those who bend over backwards excusing an abhorrent racist view.

“they didn’t mean it that way”

“They were just being curious”

“It’s was casual racism”

“She can’t be racist, she’s married to a black man”

“My kids are mixed and I wasn’t offended by it”

“We haven’t heard the whole story“

Seriously I despair.

I agree but in this case we don't said what. We know someone made inappropriate or racist remarks about a baby's potential skin colour. That's it. Tell us who said what Meghan and Harry.

MN truly is a festering pit of racists who never want to hear from minorities.

May I quote what another poster just wrote to me?

you seem to want problems and are indeed a prime accuser of people being - in your opinion - racist.

Some people are racist. Perhaps many people are racist. But not all people are racist, however much you want them to be.

So now I am the problem. It's fantastic.

Tell us who said what Meghan and Harry

Why? Who are you that you (think you) are owed that information?

That they felt there was racism within the family which contributed to their need to leave is all that needs to be said.

@Tzigane

Tell us who said what Meghan and Harry

Why? Who are you that you (think you) are owed that information?

That they felt there was racism within the family which contributed to their need to leave is all that needs to be said.

I wholeheartedly agree.

That's all that was said.

@ittakes2

I think you are being too harsh. Obviously someone said something to Harry but one person saying something does not mean a whole family is responsible for what that individual said. And I find all this ‘white people can’t comment on racism thing’ upsetting too. Because that very idea of saying someone can’t comment because they are white is a racist comment in itself. I am mixed race and I think we all need to come from a place of everyone is equal rather than this whole let’s criticise white people approach. We won’t get anywhere if we try and make people afraid to open their mouths.

Racism does not affect white people so their views and perspectives cannot continue to be prioritised in defining racism because doing this legitimises racist behaviour. In an ideal world everyone would be in fact treated equally and therefore all perspectives would be equal when defining racism. Unfortunately, the real world is not like that everyone is not treated equally and there are numerous statistics and public scandals to show this. Racism is not a shared experience and naturally the experience of perhaps being called racist and feeling hurt by that might be easier for white people to identify with. The racism is then often explained away without the white person being incentivised to change their behaviour and poc are silenced. I’m not really understanding how considering the effects of racism into the spotlight (Windrush, mental health, maternity outcomes, Covid outcomes, MM and the media) somehow to you white people are the victims here? It’s not prejudiced because it’s an action being taken to increase equality. If people are afraid to have a conversation about race (and they are important to have) there’s so much information out there about how to do so appropriately. The idea poc are responsible for making white people in a majority white society feel safe to air questionable views is laughable.

@derxa You just proved my point. There is no BUT. You or I are not entitled to be privy to anyone else’s pain. She was offended. The end.

My own dc are mixed. And I’ve had years of ignorant comments about their skin tone/ hair texture in relation to mine and their fathers. It’s offensive whichever way it was said or intended.

@derxa

You seem to think that Meghan's experience of racism inside the RF comes down to one comment by one family made to Harry about the potential colour of Archie's skin, and if only we could track down the perpetrator and confirm/deny, then all would be well.

The racism would have seeped in all around her, in hundreds of small and some not-so-small ways, from multiple people, on multiple occasions.

It's not the job of black people to prove racism exists and to litigate every instance of it. She doesn't owe you a name, neither does Harry.

In answer to OP I think it was just a knee jerk response. He can’t really declare them racist and I’m gathering an accusation of racism is worse than death and the racism itself to some people. His response should have been more measured or he shouldn’t have responded at all. The journalist put him in a spot which wasn’t very kind but if he could defend himself against an accusation of racism so quickly he could have defended his SIL when she was being hounded with more than a retweet.

I don't believe anyone claiming anything simply because they claim it. Whether it is that someone else was a racist or that they weren't.

I don't really understand the comment "why would someone lie about such a thing, " which is often brought out - it's not that difficult to think of reasons someone might lie, or alternately be mistaken. MM might have lied because she is pissed off at people, or to improve her chances of public sympathy. William might have lied to avoid his family being criticised. Either could have said what they think is true but been mistaken.

So you assume someone’s lying until proven otherwise? How odd.

@BluesInTheSun
I mean I see your point. It was probably a kneejerk response. A poor one. And as he knew this question was coming - in some form or another - he should have been prepared with a better answer.

The journalist put him in a spot which wasn’t very kind The journalist was asking a legitimate question (in a goady way) - is this important, taxpayer-funded institution systemically racist?

The answer would appear to be yes.

@Nightbear

So you assume someone’s lying until proven otherwise? How odd.

That's not what I said at all.

And actually, I don't think anyone simply always takes all statements at face value.

A lot of what she (and he) said during the interview is false. I don't know if I'd say a lie, but clearly incorrect. I can't see why she (and he) should be believed on this issue when other statements during the interview have no basis in fact.

Obviously, William should have come out and said they're all just a massive bunch of racists

What's clear is that she positioned things in a way that would lead to questions and assumptions by twisting the facts. Oprah earned millions for that interview but never really probed her. A bit of research on Oprah's part would have seen questions arise about Meghans numerous foreign trips when she said she couldn't go anywhere, the wedding mentioned here, the fact that the queens other great grand children aren't princes/ess' - and she must know - because we all do - that Charles has been trying to slimline the family for years, the security (stepping back as senior royals meant they weren't entitled to it) etc etc. She told a story in an sensationalised way and twisted it to make it worse than it is. And really, who wouldn't google a potential partner and if you are marrying into a royal family it's not too much to ask to learn it's anthem surely. If there was things she needed to know then in my view much of that is down to her husband to help her navigate - which he obviously didn't do. She twisted the story to suit her narrative and therefore it's hard to believe there is absolute truth in anything she describes.