To feel immensely sorry for

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MM's dad.

I mean the interview this morning. He said that H told him it was his own fault that he had a heart attack! WTF seriously. He missed his daughter's wedding due to a heart attack and Charles walked her down the aisle (although they seem to dislike C as well now). He stupidly released her letter since he couldn't get through to the couple and now not allowed to see his grandchild. I feel sad for him.

YABU - stupid to feel sorry for him
YANBU - to feel sorry for him

It's as if he can't hurt her enough. Who looks at their own child who is saying 'please stop - you're really hurting me' and keeps going? Keeps giving interviews. It is VERY clear that this will not bring about healing and only widen the gulf. So really he gives no fucks about her and either gets off on hurting her or he's a narc who only cares for his own image. This is not the behavior of a loving parent. It's excruciating.

Not even a little bit. I watched a documentary he was involved in, he can dress it up as he likes portraying a doting father. He is leech.

I watched it and felt a sorry for him. At the point he was disowned all he had done was sell some photos to the newspapers of him wearing a suit. A bit stupid but not crime of the century. He then had a heart attack and no one seemed to care much.

At the time I had sympathy for Megan because I thought it must be awful her Dad doing an embarrassing story like that.

But now they have done much worse to Harry's family. Because not only have they done a massive interview, they have been rude about them too. So by their own standards none of the Royals would ever address a word to them again.

Also Thomas Markle does look and sound completely broken.

@GreenlandTheMovie, his first mistake was massive, he was working with the tabloids and getting paid. That was too much of a betrayal. Trust went. There was nowhere else for her to go with this. The Palace are strict on what is shared. She would start to be in conflict with Harry and his family and why should she be for someone whose let her down so badly?
He keeps silent because he backs his daughter and grandson for once. He's betrayed her further by claiming racism doesn't exist in the UK or the Palace. What emotional support can he give her or Archie when he disbelieves her?

He sold her letter after he set-up a photo shoot before the wedding.
Awful disgusting man.

@SpringHasSprung12, he didn't just sell pictures, he worked with them when Harry had asked the press to back off from Meghan's family. He contacted them and started getting paid. He offered the inside story on the Palace and wedding, including pictures. He was cut off by the Palace as well.

He sold her out, trust will never be there so I think given what they have clearly been through, it's a sensible reaction to distance themselves.

It seems nothing they do is seen as right and everything is heavily criticised. I'm not saying they are perfect, but I do think they are victims. And perhaps the dad is too, but he certainly made poor choices and I think in the circumstances they were right to distance themselves.

I personally think that Harry and Megan are quite paranoid, and feed off each others' paranoia, isolated as they are from almost all family members and surrounded by people paid to keep them in the news headlines to generate income.

Thats a situation that can only lead to fall outs, particularly if they set themselves aside from all others and think that only they are justified to use TV, press and media to "put their side".

How many times have they put across their side now, only to complain when others do the same?

I watched it and felt a sorry for him. At the point he was disowned all he had done was sell some photos to the newspapers of him wearing a suit. All he done? Have you no standards, did he learn? Nope he sold her letter next, now to disbelieve in her after their interview, Bastard.

I can’t imagine it was easy for him to be suddenly thrust into the limelight with all sorts of stories being written about him. He also said he didn’t get any support with how to deal with this.

He also explained this morning that the photos of him were to try and ‘better his character’ if you like, but then it back fired on him.

I feel for all involved tbh.

I think H & M need support right now but I’m not sure the Oprah move was the right way to go about it!

The only person coming out smiling in all of this is Oprah herself.

This is really just another bash Megan thread

Yep

[quote Ponoka7]@SpringHasSprung12, he didn't just sell pictures, he worked with them when Harry had asked the press to back off from Meghan's family. He contacted them and started getting paid. He offered the inside story on the Palace and wedding, including pictures. He was cut off by the Palace as well.[/quote]
Yes but he hadn't said anything nasty about them in public at the point they stopped speaking to him. It sounds like they were berating him on his sick bed. Wouldn't it have been more normal to say I am really sorry you are so sick Dad and park the press issue until he had recovered a bit?

Anyway if it was really that awful, haven't they just betrayed Harry's family just as badly now?

He’s a lying manipulator who sold his own daughter down the river for a few minutes of fame. I don’t see how anyone could believe a single word he says - he’s so fundamentally selfish and dishonest. It would break my heart if my dad treated me that way.

@GreenlandTheMovie

I personally think that Harry and Megan are quite paranoid, and feed off each others' paranoia, isolated as they are from almost all family members and surrounded by people paid to keep them in the news headlines to generate income.

Thats a situation that can only lead to fall outs, particularly if they set themselves aside from all others and think that only they are justified to use TV, press and media to "put their side".

How many times have they put across their side now, only to complain when others do the same?

Oh goodness, here we go with the insane armchair theories based on absolutely fuck all (bar too much time reading tabloids and a severe lack of reality TV to fill the void).

@GreenlandTheMovie, or should we call you Dr Phill, you don't seem to realise that it's people like you that's the biggest issue in perpetuating a media interest in these two. You read the crap, spout your own crap, that's then regurgitated into more crap in the media. All filled with guesses and half truths. You know Jack shit about them, and coming out with bollocks like the above, well it's embarrassing.

How many times have they 'put across their side now'? I don't really care to hear much about them, but I've read more about Dani Dyers personal life and opinions in the last week than I have heard 'personally' from Meghan and Harry in the last year. She read Archie a story, said she had a miscarriage, now they've both given an interview. Everything else has been media hearsay, not from themselves. Hardly excessive.

@Nospringchickendipper

I think the fact that he said he will continue to do interviews with the press until he can see Megan and Archie says a lot about him. Controlling and abusive.

I agree it isn't the right way to affect a reconciliation. It's probably going to be about as effective as Harry talking to Oprah about how he wants to improve his relationship with his father.

@BrumBoo 👏 well said.

"Wouldn't it have been more normal to say I am really sorry you are so sick Dad and park the press issue until he had recovered a bit?"

We don't know how much pressure was put on them by the Palace. They only let people in who they can trust and who will sign non disclosure agreements, which might not stand in the US, so that complicates things further. How could she contact him when she can't trust him? Why should she put herself through it? This was her wedding, which is enough pressure without the added pressure of it being watched by the world and her having no one until her Mother got there.

He needed to step up and be a Parent. Her Mother faced everything and worse because of the racism but handled it as it should have been. Other black relatives of Meghan's have kept their mouth shut and it sounds as though they need the money more than TM.

BrumBoo who is Dr Phil?

Yes of course we can talk about people who choose to appear on tv, whether they're royal or not!

We don't live in the foreluck tugging 18th century any more!

Now if meghan and Harry were leading a private life, not sulignibg streaming deals, or giving interviews with Oprah, then absolutely I would support not discussing them and respecting their desire for privacy.

But to suggest that they should be able to dictate peoples' response to their deliberately high profile, media-saturated lives is utterly ridiculous.

No

He’s said he won’t stop talking to the press unless MM speaks to him

That’s blackmail and he’s an awful man for saying it

What's he got to lose? Why should he hang around in silence being controlled by someone else's agenda, just in case they relent? His DD and his DGC if he wanted to reconnect he'd have apologised over the suit photo and stfu.
Money talks, it takes a certain parent to sell out their DC.
I hope they never forgive him. 😔

Also another reason I felt sorry for him other than the fact he seemed very, very upset was that he didn't seem that able to cope well with the questions. I felt like they were trapping him into commentating on the royal family itself and the other issues. And at a certain point he realised that and said oh this is too political and tried to backtrack. I think he should certainly never go on TV again for his own sake if nothing else. I hope he manages to reconcile with her daughter.

I don't think he was right to say things but I think the press did seduce him and he probably didn't realise the far widening implications of what was been said.
I do think Meghans half siblings in reality probably don't know her that well (many half siblings have this sort of relationship) but have decided to make some money by selling stories on her especially that Samantha.
The media were wrong to intrude on Meghans father especially considering the fractured relationship.
But all families have their dysfunctions!

Even if England is quite insignificant anywhere else, he must have realised how much damage it would cause his daughter to start babbling away and sell photos to the press.

The one I feel sorry for is Meghan. It must be heart-breaking to have a father who doesn't really respect you, but her half-sister is absolutely vile. Imagine being stuck with that when she was younger.

Yes of course we can talk about people who choose to appear on tv, whether they're royal or not!

There's a difference between discussions and just plain making up shite to fit your narrative.

We don't live in the foreluck tugging 18th century any more!

OK

Now if meghan and Harry were leading a private life, not sulignibg streaming deals, or giving interviews with Oprah, then absolutely I would support not discussing them and respecting their desire for privacy.

They do generally live a private life. Many celebrities do. That doesn't mean they can't ever be seen in public again, or earn money. They'll always be famous, doesn't mean they deserve abuse or be told to disappear forever because they won't play 'pretty prince and princess' anymore .

But to suggest that they should be able to dictate peoples' response to their deliberately high profile, media-saturated lives is utterly ridiculous.

When the responses are abusive, made up based on hearsay and often racist, they are absolutely allowed to have a say on the matter. As anyone would be when hearing malicious rumours about themselves, which manifest whether they speak or not.