Team Meghan or Team Windsor?

[QueenofTheCandles]

Yes - Team Meghan

No - Team Windsor

Nothing - Don’t really care!

I couldn’t stop laughing at those cutaways in the chicken coop. As Celia Walden puts in her Telegraph piece “and Oprah Winfrey sitting inexplicably with a box of six eggs on her lap”.

And the story about The Little Mermaid. The very laboured speaking-to-toddlers explanation of how she, Meghan, also married a prince and...wait for it...lost her voice. But...pause, smile... she found it again.

End scene. Lights up, applause!

Meanwhile Harry is chasing a chicken round and Oprah is studying the eggs.

So random.

Well if it’s true yes I agree. How do we know it wasn’t said for sympathy. Wow.
From the description of that period in her life I've no doubt she felt despair.
The part when someone told her to lay low because of the tabloids and she'd only been out twice in 4 month's was sad.
Victim blaming at its finest.

@VanillaIce

I couldn’t stop laughing at those cutaways in the chicken coop. As Celia Walden puts in her Telegraph piece “and Oprah Winfrey sitting inexplicably with a box of six eggs on her lap”.

And the story about The Little Mermaid. The very laboured speaking-to-toddlers explanation of how she, Meghan, also married a prince and...wait for it...lost her voice. But...pause, smile... she found it again.

End scene. Lights up, applause!

Meanwhile Harry is chasing a chicken round and Oprah is studying the eggs.

So random.

Talking of the little mermaid, was it just me or did Oprahs make up remind anyone of ursula the sea witch!!

Let’s think back to what the press did to Kate. Accusations of trapping a prince, comparisons with Diana, being a doormat, lowly middle class background, evil pushy mother with a trolley dolly background, evil uncle. I’m sure there was more. In fact Kate’s family was dragged into it in a real big way. Meghan got the same treatment and she knew what was coming. To plead ignorance is simply ridiculous.
Then maybe the problem is that the monarchy, and the press that surrounds it, is too toxic to continue.

The "well it's a hellhole for all women who marry into it" defence isnt particularly compelling.

@sst1234

Let’s think back to what the press did to Kate. Accusations of trapping a prince, comparisons with Diana, being a doormat, lowly middle class background, evil pushy mother with a trolley dolly background, evil uncle. I’m sure there was more. In fact Kate’s family was dragged into it in a real big way. Meghan got the same treatment and she knew what was coming. To plead ignorance is simply ridiculous.

Exactly. The same is true if you compare the treatment of Diana and Fergie.

I absolutely believe that Meghan has been the victim of press racism. I also believe she has made personal mistakes. The two beliefs are not incompatible. If Meghan’s negative press is all down to her race, how do people explain the vilification of Sarah Ferguson - or the woman dubbed as ‘vulgar, vulgar, vulgar’ by courtiers and the ‘Duchess of Pork’ in the press?

Meghan says that doesn’t matter because Kate’s coverage was rude rather than racist.

I think she says that in the extra clips that were released earlier today by Oprah.

@ATieLikeRichardGere

After some comments here, I’ve been reading a few analyses that Meghan could have Narcissistic Personality Disorder with Borderline traits and I’m finding it really quite compelling. I guess the helpful part about it for me is that viewed like this I can see how a lot of her actions might be driven by her emotional pain so I have a little bit more empathy for her, and it also explains the other difficult (as reported) behaviour. But also perhaps her charm. People always said Diana may have had Borderline Personality Disorder and that is believable to me as well. And perhaps also explains why Harry was drawn to Meghan. But if this were true, and obviously I couldn’t possibly know, I’m a bit worried about how things will go for Harry. Feel free to tell me I’m wrong - but obviously none of us can really have a clue.

This kind of speculation is so grotesque.

The Palace should call their bluff and launch an investigation into the alleged baby colour remarks
Originally when Meghan said it I assumed it was during the pregnancy.
Harry explanation made it sound like a chat before he got engaged.
I've no doubt that conversation was had early on a few times but before the engagement marriage.
I wonder was it Williams slow down the relationship chat with Harry.

@TheOtherMaryBerry

However, the fact that H&M claimed to have got married three days beforehand with only the two of them and the archbishop (which would be a legal impossibility) suggests that at best they are delusional and at worst they are willing to brazenly lie for personal gain. So I question how much of the rest of it is true.

This, very much so. I'm not a fan of Megan, haven't been since the whole 'no one asked me if I was OK' debacle. The fact that she actually said that, in Africa, no less, showed just how much she lives in la la land. So much of last nights interview just did not make sense at all.
Now, I sympathise with her feeling awful, I really do. I know poor mental health can strike anyone, but is she really saying that she felt suicidal, whilst being pregnant, and didn't tell her antenatal team!? Despite having superior health care? Or wasn't able to organise private counselling herself or through Harry, despite both Harry and William regularly talking about the importance of good mh support?
Maybe I'm wrong to feel like this but I struggled terribly with pnd after being abandoned post birth and was given literally no support (really shocking Dr's surgery) and I'm really struggling now, living in a tiny flat miles away from family with a non stop 3 year old and I filled out a self referral form for help from my local mh service and I'm still waiting for a call back weeks later, so frankly, I'm struggling to feel sympathetic

It's not a misery competition. This idea that because someone has money they can't have mental health problems is so damaging and wrong. She was explicit that she was told not to reveal that she was struggling to mental health professionals so was not "allowed" to seek support as you have. I cannot imagine anything more infantilising and stifling than being part of the Royal family and feel sorry for all of them, but especially for her and Diana as they were both treated in a disgusting manner, attacked from outside and inside with no safe haven.

@StillCoughingandLaughing

Presumably you realise ‘Fergie’ is a nickname? Not one you’d use if you were trying to distance yourself from that side of the family?

Why should she distance herself from Fergie? Shes not responsible for what Andrew did.

That was my thought @Emeraldshamrock, in which case context may be very different to the way it's been presented. It could easily have been closer to "You're struggling with what the press are saying now when you are dating - have you considered that it you had kids they may be darker skinned and the press might go nuts? Are you going to be able to deal with that?" I.e. still talking about skin colour but from a place of concern for Harry

Not saying that is what happened, because none of us know. But the two versions don't match up and as a result I'm not convinced it's as portrayed

Team Windsor!

So fed up of the Harry & Meghan show now

@Alleycat1

Absolute nonsense that Archie was 'refused a title'. He is not eligible for one until Charles becomes King as he is too far from the succession. Harry, at least, has to know that and did not correct the impression that Meghan's statement made. For that disingenuous comment alone I am now team palace. Also whining about being cut of financially irritated me. They left the job and left the country. Who gets paid for a job they don't and won't do? They have millions in their own right. Just wish they would shut up.

That's not a full understanding. The point was that he'd be entitled to the title "Prince" once Charles was on the throne: it applies automatically to the children or grandchildren of the monarch. Kate and William's first born son also has it by protocol. Their later children were granted it by exception, by the Queen, even though no entitled to it officially. The expectation that - given that the three existing great grandchildren of the monarch, only one of whom was entitled to the title of prince or princess, but despite that had all received it from birth - the other great grandchildren would be treated the same was not unreasonable. To be told this wouldn't happen and therefore he would not have any protection/ security is horrendous.

The secondary point is that by protocol he is actually entitled by Royal protocol to be called "prince" should he wish when Charles is on the throne, and whether he takes that title or not when older should be his choice. This right applies irrespective of whether he is an active Royal. The issue raised in the interview was that apparently the Royal family informed Meghan while pregnant that they would change the ancient protocols to ensure that even when Charles is King, Archie wouldn't be entitled to his title of prince if he wanted it.

I am a republican btw. But it's not hard to see how these people felt that their family undermined and ostracised them if you have any empathy.

it's not a misery competition

Talk about empathy bypass

Team Windsor

@Impatiens

it's not a misery competition

Talk about empathy bypass

The misery competition IS the empathy bypass, not the post pointing it out.

Well if it’s true yes I agree. How do we know it wasn’t said for sympathy. Wow.

From the description of that period in her life I've no doubt she felt despair.
The part when someone told her to lay low because of the tabloids and she'd only been out twice in 4 month's was sad.
Victim blaming at its finest.

Sorry I done believe a word that comes out of her mouth, or his for that matter. She’s copying Diana in every way. All they were doing was trying to discredit the RF. I’m in neither team by the way, but I recognise BS when I see it.

Team Windsor

Except that it's not a fucking 'misery competition' other than in your unpleasant opinion. The poster was making a perfectly valid comparison between her situation and Meghan's.

@Impatiens

Except that it's not a fucking 'misery competition' other than in your unpleasant opinion. The poster was making a perfectly valid comparison between her situation and Meghan's.

These things are not a matter of comparison though. If the poster stated her situation on her own thread and I responded with "little sympathy to be honest! People in Syria are suffering much more than you are"! That would be an empathy bypass and a misery competition. Effectively that is what that post was, just upwards not downwards.

All suffering is valid and relativism means none of us should complain or discuss mental health problems, ever, as there will always be people suffering more. It's nonsensical and needs to be called out, as I did.

Otherwise we end up here. Best refutation of competitive misery I've ever seen.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k

You needed to 'call out' someone who compared their struggle to get help with the options available to a wealthy person who can afford private healthcare and whose husband was part of a MH charity? Yes, you have a serious problem with empathy.

[quote StatisticallyChallenged]@ancientgran Edward's kids are technically entitled to be HRH and Prince/Princess but they chose not to use it - they're styled as the kids of an Earl would be I think.[/quote]
Yes. Viscount Severn and Lady Louise.

Princess Margaret's children were Viscount Linley (now Lord Snowden) and Lady Sarah

@Impatiens

You needed to 'call out' someone who compared their struggle to get help with the options available to a wealthy person who can afford private healthcare and whose husband was part of a MH charity? Yes, you have a serious problem with empathy.

Nope. The poster stated she has been able to seek mental health help (agree not forthcoming quickly enough based on her post - the NHS is shit). However that is better access than somebody however wealthy in a constrained situation being told they must not seek support as it'll look bad for the family. The charity stuff on MH from the family just shows they are hypocrites but wouldn't have improved her situation when they just told her to suck it up and not leave the house. Yep - massive empathy bypass from YOU. Money does not solve all problems and to believe it does is naïve or deliberately obtuse. I won't hazard a guess as to which applies.