The Mandela Effect

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Has anyone experienced it?
I’m currently sending my head backwards and forwards because I thought “Vimto” was “Vimpto”

In Gone With the Wind the line "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" is never spoken.

Yes it is! It was a bit scandalous to say the word damn on film in those days so Clark Gable said it as “Frankly my dear I don’t GIVE a damn” to take the emphasis off it.

I was reading about this online and tried it out on my son - he thought Pikachu from pokemon had a black tip on his yellow tail - apparently thats quite common with the Mandela effect

I tried this on my DH whose a massive pokemon fan.. he drew pikachu with a black tip! I couldn't believe it, so strange.

The monopoly man without monocle was the one that for me. I've googled loads of images and it's true, no monocle. Where did the mobile memory come from? It's a really common one. Makes me think there must shave been a similar brand image (cartoon man with top hat and monocle) for something else...

Mr Peanut. Top hat, cane, monocle.

In Gone With the Wind the line "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" is never spoken.

Yes it is

m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ5ICXMC4xY

In Gone With the Wind the line "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" is never spoken. Likewise "Play it again, Sam" in Casablanca

Of course he says it in GWTW! It was voted the number one movie line of all time. In Casablanca the line is Play it Sam. Play it again Sam is a play and film by Woody Allen.

@boltfromtheblueblue

The Mandela effect is just the startling arrogance of people who prefer to believe that the entire universe changed rather than they remembered something wrong. Modern narcissism at it's finest.

This. Sometimes with a side-order of a tendency to believe in conspiracy theories. (Note the sometimes, I'm not saying that about posters on this thread.)

I can understand lots of mis-remembered things, but I can never understand the Mandela thing. The campaign to release him, his release and then becoming President was such huge worldwide news that I can't get my head round how so many people could have thought he had died.

@HarrietSchulenberg I remember this happening too when I was a little girl. I loved salt and vinegar and hated cheese and onion and got upset when my mum gave me the “wrong” flavour but she explained that walkers had swapped them so I had in fact got salt and vinegar. We never bought anything other than walkers either.

Rhett Butler does say "frankly" in the film. He doesn't in the book. The original line was supposed to be as in the book: "My dear, I don't give a damn." But Clark Gable ad libbed the change.

@wellthatsunusual

I can understand lots of mis-remembered things, but I can never understand the Mandela thing. The campaign to release him, his release and then becoming President was such huge worldwide news that I can't get my head round how so many people could have thought he had died.

And yet they did, and all the same false memory. So there is something that commonly happens to cause this, though I'm not sure what exactly.

I have a distinct recollection of a miniseries I watched with my mum in the late 90s/early naughtiest. It was based on a novel I’d enjoyed as a teen called Bride of . It was set in Cornwall. The lead female character was called Favel - they pronounced it Favelle in the programme and I’d always thought it was Fayvel. The lead male character was played by Anthony Andrews. But this series doesn’t appear in his filmography and I’ve never been able to find any reference to it online!

I thought Robbie Coltrane had died. I had to Wikipedia him and found out that he was in rude health!

Should have read Bride of Pendorric in my last post!

@dentydown

I thought Robbie Coltrane had died. I had to Wikipedia him and found out that he was in rude health!

I wonder if, in your head, you were confusing him with Ronnie Corbett?

@SinisterBumFacedCat

Golden Wonder - salt n vinegar- blue, cheese and onion - green Walkers - salt and vinegar- green, cheese and onion - blue

Golden wonder was very much and 80’s crisp, Walkers seemed to take over when out of town supermarkets started popping up in the early 90’s.

Walkers have just got their colours wrong. Not only that they have got the wrong shade of blue too.

Salt and vinegar- fish n chips - seaside - sea - blue.
Cheese and onion - green.

Walkers are just being dicks.

Walkers are Leys in Europe and salt & vinegar here is blue.

So they are being extra dicky in the UK.

The crisps one is easy to explain, because, as people have said, there are two major brands with different colour schemes who swapped places in popularity. The Nelson Mandela phenomenon is much odder and more inexplicable.

Cheese and onion should obviously be blue, anyway. Come at me.

While Clark Gable clearly did say the famous line it is a fact that in no Sherlock Holmes story does he ever say "elementary my dear Watson"
Although this line may have been used in the films. I'm not sure.

@MiddletownDreams, the truth about Hillsborough was branded a conspiracy theory for decades. So I'm wary about what I dismiss. The extent that the corruption went was astounding. Likewise Saville and the awarding of Tory contracts etc. It's largely mis-remembering and not a personality flaw. It's why the law, changed on police questioning, it isn't difficult to put a false memory into someone's head. Domestic abusers are very good at it.

In all fairness lots of people have been declared dead on SM, so Trump might have been.

I have a distinct recollection of a miniseries I watched with my mum in the late 90s/early naughtiest. It was based on a novel I’d enjoyed as a teen called Bride of . It was set in Cornwall. The lead female character was called Favel - they pronounced it Favelle in the programme and I’d always thought it was Fayvel. The lead male character was played by Anthony Andrews. But this series doesn’t appear in his filmography and I’ve never been able to find any reference to it online!

Because it doesn't exist. A tv series was not made based on that book, clearly you read the book, and saw a similar tv show with that actor in it, and conflated the two into an amalgam memory.
That's how memory often works, and why it's so fallible.

Now, are you going to actually say that rather than the above happening, you have changed realties having previously lived in one that only differed by the fact of tv show?

The o my one that really weird for me is that I clearly remember Disney VHS movies having Tinkerbell spell out Disney and then use her wand for the dot. Didn't happen

My friends and I also collectively misremember 9/11 which is odd given that we were all together when the news broke live.

I don't think this is surprising, I have false memories. I KNOW I'd had a nap, woke up and put the TV on and it was showing.. well that's where my false memory started.

I think that over the next few days the same footage was shown over and over again with the second plane hitting I 'remember' it, but I'm not sure I do.

@boltfromtheblueblue

I have a distinct recollection of a miniseries I watched with my mum in the late 90s/early naughtiest. It was based on a novel I’d enjoyed as a teen called Bride of . It was set in Cornwall. The lead female character was called Favel - they pronounced it Favelle in the programme and I’d always thought it was Fayvel. The lead male character was played by Anthony Andrews. But this series doesn’t appear in his filmography and I’ve never been able to find any reference to it online!

Because it doesn't exist. A tv series was not made based on that book, clearly you read the book, and saw a similar tv show with that actor in it, and conflated the two into an amalgam memory.
That's how memory often works, and why it's so fallible.

Now, are you going to actually say that rather than the above happening, you have changed realties having previously lived in one that only differed by the fact of tv show?

No, not saying that. Perfectly willing to accept my memory was wrong.

@MistyGreenAndBlue

While Clark Gable clearly did say the famous line it is a fact that in no Sherlock Holmes story does he ever say "elementary my dear Watson" Although this line may have been used in the films. I'm not sure.

He did indeed never say the actual line "Elementary, my dear Watson" in any of the books. But actually I think most people know this now, just like they do know that Frankenstein was the creator (and, of course, arguably the monster too).

But I don't know if things like this count as the Mandela effect. Most people probably haven't read the relevant book, or if they have, it does make sense that they might not recall every detail, especially if the incorrect line is indeed in a film or TV adaptation, which is likely to be more widely seen, or it's just more memorable as a quotation. After all, if the line was spoken in a film, they're not misremembering it, they just aren't aware it wasn't in the original.

I think it applies more to things like, well, Nelson Mandela. How in the heck do you live a life like that, with all the subsequent accomplishments and news coverage, or live through coverage of something like 9/11, and have so many people have the same false memory? It is really interesting.

I’m the same I have a false memory of 9/11 as well, I remember it as sat on the floor eating my cereal with “Breaking news” on bbc with the 2nd plane going in, only realised about 2 years ago that I couldn’t have been watching it as it was 8am here and like 1am New York time