To ask for your opinion on covid vaccine and fertility?

[wishes1111]

Hi

I'm 28 and have had multiple miscarriages.

I really want to have the vaccine but a friend has mentioned they do not know the affect this has on fertility.

As I'm already struggling to have a healthy pregnancy (I currently have the coil fitted to help with endometriosis and give TTC a break for a year or two) I'm worried about this.

Any opinions on this would be welcomed, thank you.

Get the vax when you can.

The royal colleges are happy it’s safe and the last thing you want to do when you are pregnant or just given birth is get Covid.

Changechangychange

@BeautifulDay12 you joined MN a week ago, and so far have made 18 posts telling people covid vaccines are unsafe, and have made no other comments on any other topics.

I don’t believe you are posting in good faith.

No, I joined in 2013 and post on many threads. I regularly name change, as do many people. Feel free to ask Mumsnet.

EpiphanySoul1

BeautifulDay12 can you point me toward studies on the impact of wearing hoodies on fertility? If those studies haven’t been done we really should err on the side of caution and not wear hoodies as there could be long term impacts on fertility. I know there’s no plausible way a hoody can impact fertility but we just don’t know.

Because wearing a hoody is anything like injecting chemicals into your body? Why do you think scientists bother to do fertility studies when creating new drugs but clothes manufacturers do not?

Because wearing a hoody is anything like injecting chemicals into your body?

Which chemicals would they be? Because you are are going to be shocked when you find out what all matter is made from...

@BeautifulDay12 what is your expertise then? Because you seem to know better than a lot of specialists and actual scientists in the field about vaccines according to your views.

Honestly, some of the posts make my head want to explode. There is no biological reason imaginable to suggest the vaccine will impact on fertility. When you have treated pregnant women with covid, been there for their emergency sections because they are so sick, spent hours carefully treating them on ITU away from their babies and ultimately seen the devastation that can be caused by this virus you get a good perspective on just how dangerous this virus can be in pregnancy.

I asked my IVF doctor, she said take it as soon as you have the chance! No proven impact in fertility.

@millymollymoomoo

I am free to comment on an open forum. Simple! It’s relevant as anyone who states any other than delight at getting vaccinated is deemed anti vaccine when that’s not the case As for staying away, well, like I said people need to get a grip! Hysterical much ? If YOUVE been vaccinated you’ll be fine So you are advocating smokers don’t get treatment? Fat people who are a huge Burden on nhs? Drinkers? Sports injuries,, ?

Totally agree.

countbackfromten
If there is truly “no reason imaginable” to suggest a vaccine might impact on fertility why on Earth do they test it on rats for that very thing? If it is as unlikely to cause fertility issues as “wearing a hoodie” then why do they bother?!

5.3 Preclinical safety data
Non-clinical data reveal no special hazard for humans based on a conventional study of repeat dose toxicity.
Reproductive toxicity
Reproductive and developmental toxicity were investigated in rats in a combined fertility and developmental toxicity study where female rats were intramuscularly administered with the COVID- 19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 prior to mating and during gestation (receiving 4 full human doses that generate relatively higher levels in rat due to body weight differences, spanning between pre-mating day 21 and gestational day 20). SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibody responses were present in maternal animals from prior to mating to the end of the study on postnatal day 21 as well as in foetuses and offspring. There were no vaccine-related effects on female fertility, pregnancy, or embryo-foetal
Demographic characteristics were generally similar with regard to age, gender, race and ethnicity
among participants who received COVID-19 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine and those who received
placebo. Overall, among the participants who received COVID-19 mRNA vaccine, 51.1% were male
and 48.9% were female, 82.8% were White, 8.9% were Black or African American, 26.8% were
Hispanic/Latino, 4.5% were Asian and 0.6% were Native American/Alaskan native. 57.2% were aged
16-55 years, 42.6% were aged > 55 years and 21.8% were ≥ 65 years.
9 Ref:SPC BNT162 UK 6_0

or offspring development. No data on the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 are available on vaccine placental transfer or excretion in milk.

If you could have a single injection and reduce your fertility for life, it would be worth a fortune and people would be paying to have it as a contraceptive. Much easier than the snip!

So here is a study that is recruiting women to look at ovarian reserves pre/post vaccine (I.e. to study the effects on fertility) relating to the mRNA vaccines. A bit late in the day after so many young people (especially in Israel) have already had the Pfizer vaccine. These are the studies that are normally done BEFORE rolling out a vaccine to an entire population, but in this case the vaccines were “rushed through”. All of you who say the vaccines have been thoroughly tested and that vaccines have absolutely no effects on fertility please explain why they are doing this study! I have my fingers crossed that the results will show no effects, for the sake of many young women who have already had these vaccines.

clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04748172

countbackfromten

BeautifulDay12 what is your expertise then? Because you seem to know better than a lot of specialists and actual scientists in the field about vaccines according to your views.

I work in research and analysis. “Actual scientist” are not infallible all knowing gods. They do a job. Sometimes they do it well and sometimes they don’t. Many work for private companies and happily fudge statistics for the financial benefit of their organisation. Many pharma companies have a history of bad science and court cases against them. But unless I am one of them I can’t have knowledge or opinion on the topic of fertility effects?

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n509

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/28/covid-vaccine-does-not-affect-fertility-but-misinformation-persists

www.rcm.org.uk/media-releases/2021/january/statement-from-rcm-and-rcog-on-covid-19-vaccinations-fertility-and-pregnancy/#:~:text=Dr%20Edward%20Morris%2C%20President%20at,not%20supported%20by%20any%20data

www.health.harvard.edu/blog/wondering-about-covid-19-vaccines-if-youre-pregnant-or-breastfeeding-2021010721722

Studies such as the one you've described are very common and form part of the general work around phase 4 of any new medications/vaccines, it doesn't mean that they think there is a risk, in fact all evidence so far suggests no risk to fertility.

I work in research and analysis

Chinny reckon?

I'm a train driver. Honest.

Chinny reckon?

Errrr...ok.

It's a standard anti-vaxxer trope. "I work in research" to lend your disinformation more credence, totally missing the point that this is the internet and anyone can claim to be anything because who would know otherwise?

FoxyTheFox

You should actually read the content of the links you post as evidence.

“While human vaccine trials did not specifically study fertility, no signs of infertility were noted in animal studies.”

They are starting the trials now. They base current advice on not having seen an effect in rat studies, which is oK if you are a rat. Animal studies give an indication but not hard evidence of how a drug will react in a human. This is why they do human trials. But usually they do them before mass rollout, not after.

I haven’t said anything that is anti vaccine. I am pro safety. I don’t believe these vaccines have been thoroughly tested.

And I have worked in research for many years.

FoxyTheFox I was asked by a poster what my expertise is. I have told them. I don’t care if you don’t believe me, but it’s the truth. I could just as easily say I work in pharma, but I don’t, or claim I am a godly scientist.

FoxyTheFox and what “disinformation” are you talking about exactly?!

I know this thread is a few weeks old but I've been off bc for 8 years. Not actively 'trying' for the full 8 years but had done a round of ivf 5 years ago which ended in miscarriage. Had my first covid jab and around 4 or 5 days later I conceived naturally at age 38. This is my first child so it was a total shock. So I'm not saying it boosted my fertility, it was probably a mad coincidence but it certainly didn't have a negative effect on it. I found this thread as I've had the first jab but I'm wondering how long immunity lasts with just one dose. I was hoping for around 6 months protection but it seems that may not be the case.

Interesting Saoirse82. I had the vaccine avd did a negative test in the morning of the vaccine to check I wasn't pregnant. 8 have also been told I can't conceive without ivf. It was negative but then a week later my period still hadn't come and it was positive. Imagine my surprise! Unfortunately I had a chemical pregnancy. I had a fever with the vaccine and am now worrying that the fever may have caused me to miscarry. Very sad and trying not to blame myself. Could this just be a cruel coincidence? I trust the vaccine but not the side effects caused by it. When I had the vaccine the pregnancy would only have just been a blastocyst, so technically still a bunch of cells. Would a fever impact a blastocyst? Any scientists out there know? Xx

Hi @Goonbear, id think it was just a cruel coincidence. I've been searching to find out how protection id have from my first jab and googled a lot of ttc and pregnancy with covid vaccine and didn't find any links to side effects from the vaccine causing a miscarriage. Please don't blame yourself, unfortunately the majority of miscarriages are caused by chromosome abnormalities and there's really nothing you could have done to change the outcome of the pregnancy so it definitely wasn't your fault.

Saoirise82 that's so sweet, thank you. Yes ive come to terms with it now, I think it was just a coincidence. Was supposed to have my second jab today but postponed as I've had a faint positive pregnancy test again. Fingers crossed this time.

Yeah, fuck science - why not ask a load of unqualified randoms on the internet after listening to something your dimwitted friend made up 🙄

@JustOneMoreStep hello, please can you share with us how your pregnancy is going?

@everysunrise sadly, things haven't worked out for me as I'd have hoped. I developed OHSS so had to delay transfer for a later cycle and then when I did transfer I had a chemical pregnancy. Neither of these are vaccine linked though but rather risks of IVF unfortunately. If anything, from the cycle that I developed OHSS I had an unusual number of eggs go on to become 'top grade' (4AA) blastocyst which are currently frozen waiting for use when I'm ready.