To be dreading MMR

[Bellver888]

Ds is 14 months old and finally has an appointment for his 1 year jabs tomorrow and I’m really anxious about MMR.

Not about autism it’s more the side effects I’m so worried he’ll be dead poorly.

What should I expect after this?

That’s an article about a study. Do you have a link to the study and it’s conclusions?

Its

There is a link in the article, Google can also help you there.

If there was even a sniff of a link between autism and vaccines, don't you think it would have been found by now? It has been studied extensively to the point that scientific consensus says there is no link.

[quote BeautifulDay12]@FoxyTheFox, no evidence of a link is not the same as evidence of no link.[/quote]
But by that logic, there's no evidence of a link between the MMR and, say, your child becoming an astronaut. Therefore you can't say there's evidence that there's no link between the two.

@BeautifulDay12

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30986133/

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30831578/
There you go. Literature review AND a study for you.

this book is the IOM research into Adverse Effects of Vaccines Evidence and Causality
It looks at the research behind the effects of childhood vaccines and has a chapter on mmr . The findings on autism are

"Causality Conclusion

Conclusion 4.8: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between MMR vaccine and autism"

My youngest had a slight temp on day 3 after the MMR and was a bit fussy at bedtimes for a few days but that fussiness could have been any number of other baby related things.

[quote Ednafrommooneyponds]**@BeautifulDay12

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30986133/

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30831578/
There you go. Literature review AND a study for you.[/quote]
There's no chance @BeautifulDay12 will come back now - if there's one thing anti-vaxxers hate, it's actual scientific proof!

They're the type of folk who'll say shite like "well, science doesn't know everything".

Science knows it doesn't know everything, otherwise it'd stop

Mine was fine, no reaction at all. The only jab he did react to was the second lot of tiny baby ones (12 weeks?) but it was a very hot day, so that probably didn't help. He was just a bit hot and grumpy.

@Bellver888

Well I looked on Facebook (🙄 I know I know) and there were absolute hoards of women saying their kids had fits, lumps in necks and rashes and when I tell u I crapped myself, obviously these reactions were only cured by a “homeopath”

Hopefully a bit of calpol and a cheeky chocolate bar will see him through

I can't remember if mine were a but grizzly for a day or 2, but certainly no serious issues.

I did take chocolate buttons and remember a couple of those post vaccine calmed the immediate (understandable) tears.

So much so, I delivered chocolate bars to my parents before their covid jabs.

The only way to prove it is children of antivaxxers ended up with autism without the vaccine. Because they see otherwise and it is why they continue to be against it

So no children of anti-vaxxers are autistic?

I call bullshit.

Give him Calpol before he goes and every 4 hours for 24 hours. It's what we were always advised to do and never had a reaction to any of them. He'll be fine, try not to worry.

I have three kids and not one of them had any side effects.

One of them had such chubby legs he didn’t even feel most of them go in

@JackieTheFart that is so cute hahaha I love a chunky baby

DS is fine, he has no temp or anything so that’s good, I feel like crying seeing them little plasters on his legs bless him

Chocolate buttons always are the cure to any minor toddler issue aren’t they haha

That’s what they claim so it is the reason they continue to be against if

@HavelockVetinari
^^Science knows it doesn't know everything, otherwise it'd stop

As a chemist I love this

@Blueberries0112 that is pretty much exactly what the study referred to in the second link I posted sought to determine.

@Blueberries0112

The only way to prove it is children of antivaxxers ended up with autism without the vaccine. Because they see otherwise and it is why they continue to be against it

There used to be a antivax poster on here who claimed her non vaccinated children were autistic because of the vaccine she had as her child, her non vaccinated husband was also autistic, and i think she may have been as well

Not surprised she would say that, she decided to take it another level , but majority of people often say their child was normal until they started getting vaccines. Meaning they felt if they didn’t give their vaccines, maybe their child would not have autism

I always look to the CDC for unbiased information on vaccines:

www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/mmr-vaccine.html

Both of mine had a slight fever and were a bit irritable, which are normal reactions.

I have a permanent loss of hearing from a bad case of measles, so well done for getting your DS sorted.

My 64 year old husband is having his covid jab tomorrow. I have to take him there. He has promised not to cry if he can have a burger aferwards.

This, though, is not a frivoulous as it sounds. We were so concerned about vaccine damage when our DS1 was born, we researched till we were blue in the face before the internet was invented.

Phoned Canada, wrote essays, received essays.

DS2 Just do it!

@Blueberries0112

Not surprised she would say that, she decided to take it another level , but majority of people often say their child was normal until they started getting vaccines. Meaning they felt if they didn’t give their vaccines, maybe their child would not have autism

Iys call recall bias, they fixate on on a cause and symptoms are remembered nearer and nearer that " cause" If you look at the Wakefield cases. They claimed they were fine until mmr and changed within days , but medical record show some had been to gp before with concerns about development, and others never went to gp, others were 6 months later.

The age the MMR is given coincides with when developmental differences start to become apparent. Between age 2 and 4 was when I slowly, over many months, came to the realisation that DS was not like other children. The big epiphany moment was when my friends with DC of the same age were at a point where they could be less hands on with their DC, when we met up they could sit down with a drink for at least a short time while their DC played, whereas I was having to be increasingly hands on with mine and had zero chance of sitting down.

DS did have the classic regression. Very rapidly went from a child who could count, say the alphabet, recite several rhymes, etc to one needing SALT input. He hadn't had his MMR at that point but he did have a new younger sibling and it coincidentally coincided, it doesn't mean that having a new baby caused his autism. Looking back, all the phrases he knew were echolalia and scripting. He was repeating learned phrases/words and learned responses rather than actively conversing and from him being a newborn there were signs of behaviours he still displays even now.

Wanting to slap the nurse who is giving your baby an injection to prevent him from contracting killer diseases is disgusting. My baby was born a week before the first lockdown and I was very grateful to the nurses for risking their lives to come to work so that she could be vaccinated.

It's very quick and my DS was fine afterwards. I was happy knowing that he would be protected from 3 awful diseases