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Should I talk to my mother again about forcing my son to kill insects or does that look petty and overbearing?

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Unicant · 03/03/2021 13:19

I havent had the easiest of relationships with my mother but she is quite ill now and I dont see her often because she lives abroad. I try not to rock the boat. We usually see each other twice a year, Christmas and summer holiday. I am their only child and my two children their only grandchildren.
My son is nearly 6 and I've always brought him up to be kind to animals and plants. We are vegetarian and my parents aren't.. which is fine.. and when they look after the grandchildren I dont mind what they cook etc
I also do not mind if my mother kills insects herself. She is allergic to insect bites and gets swollen lumps from them.
However last summer when we saw them I came across her teasing my son trying to get him to swat a fly... I just said 'oh dont wind him up like that' good naturedly and she stopped and I thought that was it.

But recently we were discussing maybe going over there in August if we are allowed to this year.... and my son looked worried.
After a time he started asking me why grandma kills insects, and I told him she's allergic to their bites etc
But it transpired she had been forcing him to kill insects on quite a few occasions and he has anxiously been thinking about it all this time. He seemed quite upset. He was saying I dont want to kill insects its wrong. I got the impression she was kind of bullying him into it. He said she made him squash a ladybird on the garden table...

Now I know this seems like a really petty issue but its just the fact that he's had this in his mind all year and it seems to be something worrying him.. im not sure how to handle it without looking disrespectful to my mother and causing an argument or bad feeling... our relationship is delicate anyway
But I feel very guilty about my son having to go through that when its obviously effecting him.
Should I try and speak to her about it or is that ridiculous?
Shes not the type of person who really takes on board any type of perceived criticism... both my parents think im oversensitive.. they have quite old school ideas they dont talk in emotional terms really and are set in their ways and respond negatively to any challenge to that (for example they chain smoke in the car even when they have my son in the car despite telling me they wouldn't just to placate me, but my son mentioned that they do it anyway)
So I'm at a loss as to how to make this better... how much do you put up with to keep a relationship stable and have grandparents in grandchildren lives?
I love them and I know they love my children... but I also don't want my son to be emotionally invalidated and essentially bullied
And we dont see them that often to be fair...

YABU ignore it you are overreacting
YANBU you have to try and do something about it

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CoalCraft · 03/03/2021 13:42

I hate ladybirds (they bite) and I still don't kill them, but then I don't kill 'gross' bugs like spiders and houseflies either. I only kill blood-suckers.

DavidsSchitt · 03/03/2021 13:43

"Then dont enter into any conversations about it, just repeat that DS doesnt like her nagging."

What? No, don't blame him!! Own it yourself.

Hi mum, you might think I'm being over sensitive but I disagree and don't care that you think I am. Under no circumstances are you to tell DS to kill insects. Of any variety. He doesn't like it, I don't like it and if I hear of even a fly being swatted you'll be given a timely reminder of what no contact feels like.

JustStopFightingPlease · 03/03/2021 13:46

For the sake of retaining a good relationship with your mother you need to tackle this issue. Both by telling your mother clearly and politely what your boundaries are (ie that DS will not be made to kill insects) and also by helping your DS assert himself. It's hard when he's only little but it's a good lesson.

My parents are wonderful people but never ever stepped in or said anything when my grandmother repeatedly behaved in a way toward me that I now understand to be very damaging. If I had tried to stand up to her I would have been in big trouble so I internalised everything and blamed myself. I needed my parents to look out for me at that time, and I swore I would never allow the same thing to happen with my DC.

FictionalCharacter · 03/03/2021 13:46

She made him kill a harmless ladybird? When he didn't want to? Wow, she's horrible. And when he grows up he'll remember her as a horrible person. Also, she's undermining you.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 03/03/2021 13:47

@CoalCraft

I hate ladybirds (they bite) and I still don't kill them, but then I don't kill 'gross' bugs like spiders and houseflies either. I only kill blood-suckers.
I didn't know that!

I've hated them since childhood. They land on you and you think, 'Aw, cute', but then if they flip over or open their wings, they transform into this hideous, black, glistening steampunk nightmare. Brr. (Still wouldn't kill one though.)

MotherOfCrocodiles · 03/03/2021 13:48

Your mother bullied him into doing something that upset him and made him feel bad about himself. That's horrible! Your son is relying on you to protect him from this so YANBU at all.

I don't know what you can do though. A charitable view is that she thinks he is being oversensitive and is trying to re-educate him (rather than that, say, she enjoyed teasing him). Unfortunately it doesn't sound like it will do any good to speak to her about it. I wouldn't leave them alone together until he is old enough to stand up to her.

Unicant · 03/03/2021 13:49

@DavidsSchitt
You are absolutely right I think. Im just going to have to pull myself together and do this. I hate confrontation... and however I word it it will be a confrontation because she will not react well... it honestly makes me so anxious I feel like I might cry and I sweat.. im so bad at dealing with her... I obviously just dealt with it before by leaving and never communicating with them. But now I guess I have to make an effort to sort out the dynamic for my children.
I will be taking one for the team here truly though because they will be really tense with me for the rest of the visit and it badly effects my mental health.
The last time I tried to talk to her about how something my parents did felt, she wrote me this horrendous letter about what a terrible ungrateful daughter I was
I just resent that they have to be like this... whats the issue? They have these beautiful grandchildren.. why waste the rest of their lives being this shitty... I try not to you know... I try and just not let them wind me up for the greater good... why can't they do the same?

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zingally · 03/03/2021 13:52

@Aquamarine1029

You won't change your mother, so don't bother trying. What you need to do is empower your son to say no to things that he feels are wrong and make him uncomfortable. He should know that it's ok to tell his grandmother "no" if she tries to pressure him into killing another insect.
YES THIS. ^

I don't think you said how old your mother is, but however old she is, you're never going to be able to change her. Empowering your son to say no, and modelling that to him, is the only way.

But, her her defense, it's "just" an insect (and one who is poisonous to her). I presume she's not pressuring your son to kill puppies. You must have a pretty sensitive kid. Most 6 year olds I know would kill a bug without a thought!

Unicant · 03/03/2021 13:53

@FictionalCharacter yes she constantly undermines me. Obviously there's a long backstory here... shes had a hard life and I feel a lot of sympathy for her I know why she behaves like this... it doesnt make it okay tho
The thing is its based on her being suspicious I hate her. I think she has some type of personality disorder and I may do too.. and her mother too
Whenever I question her she perceives it as criticism and proof I hate her and it makes her behave worse... I can see it happening. So it is SO hard to say anything that could be construed as remotely negative to her

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longwayoff · 03/03/2021 13:54

Horrible perverse old woman. Don't take him there or leave him alone with her. You're an adult, he's not. If you can't stand up to her what chance has he got?

Easterbunnygettingready · 03/03/2021 13:56

So she affects your mh. She has had your ds worried for a year since the animal killing incident... And you want to take you both back for more? Maybe you need to speak to a professional op.... Having nice people and positive relationships doesn't do this to a person....

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 03/03/2021 13:56

That's horrible! My DS would be incredibly upset if someone made him do that.
Forcing children to be cruel to animals, including insects, is abusive. I know she's your mother and its difficult but if I were in your shoes, I would be absolutely laying down the law with her and saying that she won't be allowed unsupervised contact if she can't respect that.
I grew up on a farm and don't have a lot of sentimentality in dealing with nuisance creatures but there is a world of difference between doing what needs to be done on a practical basis and choosing to kill something because you can. So as to the previous poster saying its normal for six year old boys, it's really, really not. If I came across a child that age who took pleasure in killing insects, I'd be deeply concerned.

CrunchyBiscs · 03/03/2021 13:57

He loves her and she loves him? - I don't know, 'I love x' can be a very glib thing to say sometimes. Forcing him to do something that distresses him isn't loving.

JackieTheFart · 03/03/2021 13:59

That's awful. We only kill mosquitos if they are in the house or on our body, would never dream of killing a ladybird!

This is what I don’t get. A mosquito has its place in the food chain as much as a ladybird. Why does one deserve to live and one not?

To answer your actual question, sounds like there’s no point trying to talk to your mum so yes, empower your son to say no. It’s perfectly acceptable to flick a bug away instead of squashing it.

Chanandlerbong01 · 03/03/2021 13:59

What about viruses and bacteria? Is it ok to kill those things

Give over!

I think it’s important that in addition to speaking to your parents you teach your DS the importance of feeling he can say no. Maybe teach him a phrase he can use like “no, my Mum said I don’t have to do anything that makes me uncomfortable” so he’s standing his ground and knows it’s ok.

Pulledamonica · 03/03/2021 14:03

I remember being a kid and my grandma used to put snails in a bucket of bleach 😲 I've literally only just remembered that as being something really weird and gross!! Fwiw I don't kill things now!

FictionalCharacter · 03/03/2021 14:04

[quote Unicant]@FictionalCharacter yes she constantly undermines me. Obviously there's a long backstory here... shes had a hard life and I feel a lot of sympathy for her I know why she behaves like this... it doesnt make it okay tho
The thing is its based on her being suspicious I hate her. I think she has some type of personality disorder and I may do too.. and her mother too
Whenever I question her she perceives it as criticism and proof I hate her and it makes her behave worse... I can see it happening. So it is SO hard to say anything that could be construed as remotely negative to her[/quote]
I understand, mine was difficult in a similar way. But her issues are not your responsibility, and you need to put yourself and your son first. Doing what she wants won't make her happy anyway, but could definitely make you more unhappy.

bluebluezoo · 03/03/2021 14:04

I'd say killing insects is the norm for a 6 year old boy, he seems very sensitive

You’re one of those who smiles indulgently saying “boys will be boys” while they fight and try to hurt or damage things, aren’t you?

It is not the norm and mine would get a severe telling off if they purposely went round killing anything.

User334567 · 03/03/2021 14:06

I’d be fuming. I kill bugs I hate them especially spiders, but not in front of my son and if my mum was making him kill them for her I would be really having a go at her😡

suspiria777 · 03/03/2021 14:06

@RedHelenB

I'd say killing insects is the norm for a 6 year old boy, he seems very sensitive.
a) i don't think gender makes a difference b) only for sociopaths. it's not the norm to kill for fun (or for no reason).
Mydogmylife · 03/03/2021 14:08

@RedHelenB

I'd say killing insects is the norm for a 6 year old boy, he seems very sensitive.
Eeemmmmm no!!! Killing insects is not the norm for 6 year old boys
EvilPea · 03/03/2021 14:08

I hate this “it’s just an insect” kill it attitude. We need them!! Mine have no interest in killing them, chasing them or any of that. They make homes and adventure playgrounds for them!! Even rescue worms and bees from puddles.

There’s no way I’d leave her alone with him, she’s obviously taking pleasure in pushing your son to do something he’s not happy with. It’s not right regardless of what she’s pushing him to do.

To those saying it’s normal, it’s not. Treat them with respect, educate your children about insects and our place and their place in this world. We need them and need to value all life.

Unicant · 03/03/2021 14:12

@FictionalCharacter
'Doing what she wants wont make her happy anyway'

You know that is absolutely spot on.
I think I always harbour some ridiculous childish hope that there will be some way I could behave or something I could say that will be the key to sorting it out. That suddenly we will turn a corner.
Not going to happen is it.
I just need to stand up for my son and forget about trying to improve my relationship with her. And also stop thinking I can help her.
Basically I need to stop worriyng about how she feels and feeling it like its me feeling those things. Her reaction isn't my responsibility but my son is.

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thenameis · 03/03/2021 14:12

That's disgusting, why would she even want to kill a ladybird? What harm do they do to humans? I tell you if anyone encouraged my child to kill anything, they wouldn't be around them ever again. Sick behaviour.

Newfor2021 · 03/03/2021 14:12

@RedHelenB

I'd say killing insects is the norm for a 6 year old boy, he seems very sensitive.
Jeez - to who??? My son, nor any of his friends ever did that and called it normal!
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