To ask people to please stop contributing to the overbreeding of dogs in lockdown?

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I've posted this in "doghouse" too but maybe it will be of benefit to put it on here too.

I looked on gumtree. I shouldnt have but i did and now I'm pissed off!

I mean what the hell is this?! £2500 for a mix of random breeds, so blatantly an attempt to cash in on lockdown by breeding family dogs. No care will have been taken over health testing etc

Its not just this advert either.

FRUGS! I mean, never mind that it's a stupid f-ing name, but it's pug crossed with a French bulldog. Wonderful idea! Let's take 2 breeds who can't breath and make shit loads of money from them.

SHUGS! I'm guessing here as the advert wasn't specific but I'm assuming a shitzu crossed with a pug?

DACHOUND - If you're going to sell it you should be able to spell it!

More cockerpoos thank you can shake a stick at.

Puppies around 4 months old being sold for £2000 (obviously a lockdown purchase and they're trying to get their money back/make a bit more)

Even normal breeds which would have been fairly cheap pre lockdown (labrador, border collie etc) going for thousands of pounds.

What is wrong with people?! And when will this end?

Please please don't be someone who adds to this problem. Its not just gumtree, even some supposedly "reputable" breeders are now charging double or triple the price for puppies than they were before lockdown.

If people keep buying at this price it will encourage more and more irresponsible breeders who are just looking to make money.

Dog theft is a real problem (in my area) at the moment and it all stems from the same thing.

Once "work from home if you can" finishes so so many young dogs will be chucked into rescue centres or just onto the side of a road.

@Betsy1989

Its my first time breeding and personally my last time. I don't agree with breeding a dog more than once anyway professional breeder or not. Yes the prices of pups had gone up when we saw, But that is not the reason we did it, we had discussed it before knowing the price of dogs, but like I say you can't lower your prices atm as people are buying and selling them on, you will struggle to find any dogs under them prices. My point to this is my advert is being used to tarnish me with the same brush as irresponsible people over breeding dogs and not putting the health of thier dog or puppies first which is not the case for me so wanted to put that straight

So you bred your dog to cash in on the trend? No previous experience, just a way to make some money

I hope all these "responsible" breeders are paying tax on their earnings, the same as every other citizen has to.

No I don't know if you read my previous response but I said we didn't know the prices before we decided to breed. The reason we actually decided to breed was so my best friend could have one, we didn't know how many puppies she would have she is only small she may have only had the one so i wouldn't look at that as "cashing in"

Anyway I won't be replying anymore I've got better things to do, like look after betsy and my beautiful puppies. I think you all need to stop being so judgemental and not assume every person who breeds a dog is the same you don't know me. Anyway I don't know why I even entertained the post tbh as I have lowered myself to you all, take care

@Betsy1989

Anyway I won't be replying anymore I've got better things to do, like look after betsy and my beautiful puppies. I think you all need to stop being so judgemental and not assume every person who breeds a dog is the same you don't know me. Anyway I don't know why I even entertained the post tbh as I have lowered myself to you all, take care

Obviously

Did you charge your friend?

Obviously not shes my best friend! so my dog and the puppy can grow up together, all the puppies have sold now so the advert has been removed so please dont think any of you are the reason its been removed, I wouldn't give you the satisfaction. Take care

Had to turn off Desert Island Discs this morning - Claire Horton, former chief exec of Battersea Dogs and Cats home was on a listening to her talking about the thousands of people who got a puppy during lockdown then gave them away/sold them months later was heartbreaking, the puppy farms churning out ‘designer dogs’ in awful surroundings, taking puppies from their mothers way too early, unhealthy breeding bitches, unhealthy puppies, no health checks before selling them to selfish idiots.

Don’t people realise that these poor animals could end up being used in dog fights and worse. Govt should bring back dog licences, at least £200 per year, because, tbh if you can’t afford that, you can’t afford a dog. Vacuous celebrities could help by not parading round with the latest overbred handbag dog. Breeders should be licensed and checked regularly, and stupid people should stop paying thousands for what is, in effect, a mongrel. Sites like gumtree should be prevented from advertising animals.

@Blockedoff

The dog theft is so bad where I live right now, it’s all I’m seeing on social media. I’m scared to take my dogs out on my own! I think it’s awful that reputable breeders are hiking up their prices so high, because it’s just made poor family pets targets for scumbags.

Oh good old social media! Everything you see on it is 100% true, I'm sure.

I wake up everyday to a swathe of dog theft posts, I'd think 90% aren't true.

Our local area the police made a statement saying dog theft hasn't increased (just the social media hype that's increased).

We've now got people on social media deciding that every white van is "dodgy", the person that asked how old their dog was is "dodgy", one because a man happened to be on the phone and she "had a feeling" it was dodgy! One decided she's taking a pepper spray out with her from now on.

Also a massive hype about a dog stolen from a front garden locally. So some sensible people asked when, what breed, what colour, name etc.

Others were, it's terrible, you can't look away for one second, I saw a man in a van thought it was dodgy, should've reported it.

No name, breed etc came forward.

When really pressed on the post the author admitted "she didn't know directly" , it in fact never happened.

But still people on the estate refer to the "dog that was stolen in Acacia Lane"!

Sadly, in my area it is true. I know the lady whose dog was stolen in an area of Bham. Someone posted a news report further up the thread.

Not a white van in her case but two blokes in a car waiting in a car park until the opportunity arose to grab a dog. They'd clearly done it before as it was so quick.

Luckily, the dog was recovered from a lock-up in Shropshire along with a load of other dogs, many of whom were chipped & also stolen. My friend was determined to get her dog back and social media was the best way to do it.

Yes, I'd imagine a lot of the FB 'OOh, careful...I saw a white van in blah area' probably are scaremongering nonsense but in my friend's case, it worked & had a happy outcome. Although she also had to push the police too and make a damn nuisance of herself as they are so stretched.

But when people are charging ludicrous prices, this is one of the consequences. Thieves won't see a much-loved family pet, they see 1000s of £ running about in the parks. When prices return to sane amounts, hopefully dog theft will also go down...

Anyway I won't be replying anymore I've got better things to do, like look after betsy and my beautiful puppies. I think you all need to stop being so judgemental and not assume every person who breeds a dog is the same you don't know me. Anyway I don't know why I even entertained the post tbh as I have lowered myself to you all, take care

The only thing you achieved by coming on here was to confirm exactly what we have all been saying.

You had no clue about breeding but decided to breed your family pet anyway.

You "had no idea about the prices" (yeah right!) But wanted to breed so your "best friend" could have one of the puppies. That friend is obviously as clueless as you are.

Vet checked is NOT the same as health tested. Look it up.

If you hadn't dressed them in cutesie bows and given them a fucking stupid made up name it would have been something!

Just seen on fb the other day - an acquaintance has lost her beloved dog because she decided to breed her, and the poor mum died three hours after the pups were born (I've no idea why). They're now trying to hand-rear the puppies, but I don't know if they really know what they're doing or are getting the right advice.

It's a terrible shame they've lost their pet, but I have to wonder if the poor thing should have had the puppies at all.

I had to reply as it was you, sorry whats your problem with the name? So a labradoodle is now registered as its own breed, where do you think dog names come from? I take it labradoodle is a joke aswell yes? That comment is laughable the name is clearly using all 3 breeds as name? I can't name them as a poodle or a bichon or a shitzu because they are not. And I'm sure you would have written another post about me if I "falsely advertised " And putting a bow on them is an issue? Why? Haha you sound very very bitter and jealous if anything. How did a "professional" breeder become professional? Because they had one litter to start with how do you think people start? You should have messaged me directly as you seem to be so passionate about this as you clearly went looking for it when you said you shouldn't have, clearly you thrive from drama and attention that is very clear. You clearly feel important being a keyboard warrior online. And I didn't know about the prices at all before I decided to beeed MY dog, who do you think you are? And "best friend" that is a very close friend if you are unaware of the meaning, you probably lack friends with you attitude. of course before it was organised I knew the prices but that wasn't my reasoning for breeding, not that its any of your business???! How about you go and do something productive with your life than butting your nose into peoples lives and making these "assumptions" that you seem to know absolutely nothing about! So if I removed the bow and I called them tri breed dog with no name that would have been ok? Absolutely laughable you are

People who lump all breeders into one bracket are incredibly ignorant and small minded.

There are truly wonderful breeders, and there are truly wonderful owners. And there are bad examples of both too. A lot of people have probably bought puppies without giving it the consideration it ought to have. But that doesn't mean everybody has.

Likewise with breed. Some want a doodle breed because they're trendy or whatever. Some want one because they've researched different breeds that particular one matches their needs and lifestyle best.

And with regards pricing, I personally don't think its necessarily a bad thing. Prices increase on all sorts of different things. Look at house prices. All the people bemoaning the rise in puppy prices I assume would only sell their house at its value 10 years ago, to help people be able to afford to buy a property?

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Even the original labradoodle breeder regrets his decision and feels like he's encouraged'Frankenstein' breeds.

I find it so very sad. Hardly anyone wants a breed or a mongrel... they seem to want a fashionable hybrid. This is why dog thefts are so prolific.

So many dogs have been bred so badly that they have breathing issues, sight issues and breeding issues... just look at the problems with French bulldogs! It's just so awful.

Finally somebody talking some sense. Exactly very small minded and ignorant people, labelling every person who breeds the same. This person who wrote this post does not know me or my life. And just stereotypes people into the same brackets. Says more about the person if you ask me

My puppies aren't frankenstein they are absolutely AMAZING and I don't have one single regret, they are a perfect breed and I'm extremely proud

I’m sickened by the whole thing. The suffering caused by bad breeding and puppy farms. The massive increase in sheep worrying and dog shit since the pandemic started. New owners who don’t bother to train their dog properly. People who dump their pet or sell it on because they have to go back to work and it’s suddenly dawned on them that doggy daycare is expensive.

Once upon a time, all kennel club approved breeds were cross breeds

Frankly, as long as they are healthy, and the bitch doesn’t suffer carrying them (so the male isn’t too big), then what is wrong with cross bred dogs?

Nothing

I'm not saying its right for any tom dick or harry to breed their pet for the cash, but is over breeding the right term here? That suggests there is a massive surplus and that doesn't ring true at the moment. Dogs are in massive demand, rescues are empty, there isnt an oversupply.

The elephant in the room here is that if only KC registered specialised breeders of pure breeds had puppies, there wouldnt be enough dogs for all the families that want them. Not to mention that the kennel club has it's own set of problems anyway.

Puppy farms are abhorrent, as are people who breed their pet without proper health testing. I dont see why some proper regulations cant be introduced so that genuine, caring owners can have a litter from their dogs AFTER perhaps a mandated course and mandated health/veterinary checks and specialised insurance.

As a side note I always see posters on here mourning the days they could get a collie for a fiver from Bill down the roads accidental litter, yet simultaneously claiming to despise backyard breeders - how does that work?!