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Helendee · 2021-02-17T12:45:57+00:00

Good or bad idea and reasons for your opinion? I don’t feel strongly either way but I am curious about what aspects of becoming a Republic are more beneficial than the UK’s stable current system.

merrymouse · 20/02/2021 08:42

Even if Andrew is completely innocent of any criminal activity in the Epstein case, he still represents everything that is wrong with the Royal family.

The very best that can be said of him is that used his title to endow respectability on dodgy people in return for financial reward.

He makes all the Trump children look like upstanding members of the community.

Roussette · 20/02/2021 08:46

And yet the Queen repeatedly backs him. As she did 12 hours after the carcrash interview. She took him to Church with him to send us a message.

Says it all really...

ProfessorSlocombe · 20/02/2021 08:47

@Roussette

And yet the Queen repeatedly backs him. As she did 12 hours after the carcrash interview. She took him to Church with him to send us a message.

Says it all really...

She could be called for evidence then.

VinylDetective · 20/02/2021 08:49

He makes all the Trump children look like upstanding members of the community

He compares very well with Trump himself, though. A son of wealthy parents who thinks they’re above all societal norms and whose sense of entitlement is boundless. They’re very, very similar. That’s got nothing to do with being royal and everything to do with being a spoilt narcissist.

Roussette · 20/02/2021 08:49

Now that would be 'amusing'

As if though
The RF PR machine is far too powerful to allow anything to happen, even with Andrew

AnitaB888 · 20/02/2021 08:53

@Rousette

"And yet the Queen repeatedly backs him. As she did 12 hours after the carcrash interview. She took him to Church with him to send us a message.

Says it all really..."

No it doesn't.

The Queen is a mother, she loves her son, like most mothers. How many mothers would throw their own child 'to the wolves' no matter what they had done?

The RF have been criticised as 'not being good role models' and here we have a woman being just that by being a good mother who is loving and trying to protect her son.

And now people want to throw brickbats at her for that ??!

MadameTuffington · 20/02/2021 08:56

I grew up with a Dad who detested the Royals and a Mum who respected the Queen and believed she was, ‘the glue that keeps the country together’ - absolute bollocks - I am with my (late) Dad.

The Monarchy is a pointless relic - post pandemic, money should be redirected to funding better quality state education, healthcare, housing, social care, infrastructure etc etc - Keep part of the Palace open as a tourist attraction.

They are entitled, non tax paying (increasingly irrelevant) parasites.

Enough said.

Roussette · 20/02/2021 08:59

Why are you rewriting what I said?
She could have supported him in private. There was absolutely no need to parade him out the next day, both sat next to each other going to Church, to send a message to the public.
She could've lied low but no, the next day there they were
I will throw a brickbat at her for that.
She could've supported him in private if that's what she wanted to do. She didn't have to send a message to the public like that.

It says it all totally.

PinkyParrot · 20/02/2021 09:03

I think it's why we have leaders like Trump and Boris - no one wants to put their heads above the parapet - media scrutiny is relentless, I think if it was abolished the winners would be the Royals.

merrymouse · 20/02/2021 09:05

The RF have been criticised as 'not being good role models' and here we have a woman being just that by being a good mother who is loving and trying to protect her son.

Protecting is one thing, rewarding is another, and she very definitely rewarded him for his bad behaviour in 2011. I don't know whether that was driven by guilt, anger or ignorance, but it wasn't good parenting.

She is also first and foremost the Queen. That is the nature of the job. If that is an impossible role for anyone to hold in 2021 because it is fundamentally incompatible with being human, then the only logical conclusion is that the Royal Family is an archaic institution that should be abolished.

VinylDetective · 20/02/2021 09:09

Half the American population rewarded Trump for his bad behaviour in 2016.

Sloth66 · 20/02/2021 09:18

They are unelected, unaccountable and seemingly, able to manipulate the law. Remember Prince Philip’s car accident a few years ago, when he hit another vehicle, breaking a woman’s wrist. The explanation offered was that he didn’t see the car because of the sun. He surrendered his license, but was not prosecuted.
Try that defence yourself, I doubt you’d get the same result.

MariaAngustias · 20/02/2021 09:23

Get rid of it - just a symbol of our awful class system and must be awful to be born into this weird world of royalty. Whilst you're about it get rid of all the ridiculous titles - Lords Ladies Sirs and all that absolute crap as well as the House of Lords. French had the right idea about these people but maybe went just a little bit too far...... maybe

jasjas1973 · 20/02/2021 09:39

The RF have been criticised as 'not being good role models' and here we have a woman being just that by being a good mother who is loving and trying to protect her son

A son who is accused of having sex and photographed with trafficked under age girls?
Great role model!

Your definition of a "good mother" is not mine.

GreenlandTheMovie · 20/02/2021 09:46

[quote AnitaB888]@Rousette

"And yet the Queen repeatedly backs him. As she did 12 hours after the carcrash interview. She took him to Church with him to send us a message.

Says it all really..."

No it doesn't.

The Queen is a mother, she loves her son, like most mothers. How many mothers would throw their own child 'to the wolves' no matter what they had done?

The RF have been criticised as 'not being good role models' and here we have a woman being just that by being a good mother who is loving and trying to protect her son.

And now people want to throw brickbats at her for that ??![/quote]
Raising a series of spoilt brat, indulged, badly behaved children who need a vast PR machine behind them to continue their roles in life isn't a good role model. Neither is doing the same to her grandson.

It smacks of these children being raised with a great level of arrogance that makes them believe that they can do and say whatever they want with no consequences. It's completely out of keeping with modern day life.

Far too many immediate members of this family has behaved appallingly and caused huge public scandals at one time or another.

merrymouse · 20/02/2021 10:07

Andrew actually used his membership of the Royal Family to excuse his lack of concern at activities in Epstein's household, claiming that because of his upbringing he couldn't be expected to notice that anything odd was going on.

That might be true, but then why on earth has he been given multiple roles in charities that support vulnerable children?

The whole system is beyond ridiculous.

HerbsnSpices · 20/02/2021 10:18

Getting rid of the monarchy is probably not something that is going to happen soon. However, the way things are in our country today, I really think we should be pushing for reform, and if that takes a republican-type mobilisation, like a campaign to leave the UK/ Europe then good. That would put the shitters up them to reel it all in and behave in a proper way or make a lot of them quit to private life.

For now, after the Queens reign finishes, I would tolerate Kate and Wills on the throne and their DC as succession, but I don't want to hear from the rest of them. William needs to bring a fresh and modern take on the monarchy and distance himself away from the trash. I would totally respect him if he shook it all up and put them all in their place. I think the only way the British public should have to tolerate them is if they are trimmed down to the bone. We shouldn't have to put up with Andrew, Edward, Charles, and his mistress and Harry and Megan. I wouldn't mind if Princess Ann was still around as she earns her keep and doesn't have a massive sense of entitlement.

Roussette · 20/02/2021 10:29

It smacks of these children being raised with a great level of arrogance that makes them believe that they can do and say whatever they want with no consequences.

This is what I was trying to say. Yes absolutely. And the journey to church the day after the interview rubber stamped that.

And as merrymouse says in the carcrash interview PA says that he thought all the young girls were 'staff'
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I live in an institution at Buckingham Palace which has members of staff walking around all the time and I don't wish to appear grand but there were a lot of people who were walking around Jeffrey Epstein's house. As far as I was aware, they were staff, they were people that were working for him, doing things, I… as it were, I interacted with them if you will to say good morning, good afternoon but I didn't, if you see what I mean, interact with them in a way that was, you know what are you doing here, why are you here, what's going on?
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Roussette · 20/02/2021 10:31

*That would put the shitters up them to reel it all in and behave in a proper way or make a lot of them quit to private life8

That is the best sentence on this thread by far!

GeordieGreigsButtButtZoom · 20/02/2021 10:33

Perhaps the best thing is to keep it, but slimmed down to just the direct line of succession, with a vastly reduced property and wealth portfolio.

Thewithesarehere · 20/02/2021 10:38

@VinylDetective

He makes all the Trump children look like upstanding members of the community

He compares very well with Trump himself, though. A son of wealthy parents who thinks they’re above all societal norms and whose sense of entitlement is boundless. They’re very, very similar. That’s got nothing to do with being royal and everything to do with being a spoilt narcissist.

Except that the monarch was by this spoilt brat’s side within hours of that interview where even a child could tell he was lying.

Roussette · 20/02/2021 10:41

Yes. And where he had his chance to say he regretted his liaison with the paedophile. No. Just couldn't say it. He did regret that his 'friend' conducted himself in a manner unbecoming though.

Thewithesarehere · 20/02/2021 11:05

Regarding the libel situation, there is a pretty strong chance there is so much more the RF knows and the press has been silenced on it.
On something at this scale, the lack of libel cases is quite dubious in itself. Also, everyone remembers Jimmy Savile still. So it’s not like it’s the first time anyway.

CathyorClaire · 20/02/2021 11:23

@Roussette

And can I add to that... his really dodgy deal selling Sunninghill (or whatever it was called) to some some ME guy for an inflated price (it had fallen into complete rack and ruin) And his patronages... oh yes. Most Golf clubs attached to anything military or anywhere in the world. He loved golf our Andrew. It meant he could fly anywhere in the world on a freebie to play golf as the UK 'Trade Envoy' His £15M chalet in Verbier, Switzerland, now on the market for £18M. Where the hell did that money come from?

I could go on

I'll add the way he showed us who he was years ago spraying white paint at reporters and coming up to date failing to repay the outstanding balance on the Swiss shed until its previous owner threatened to take him to court. Oh and his penchant for pretty watches costing an equally pretty penny.

unmarkedbythat · 20/02/2021 11:24

If my son were accused of what Andrew is, and there was the sort of evidence against him that there is against Andrew, and the story he gave was as weak and unbelievable as Andrew's is... I would not be supportive of him. I would not be making a public point of supporting him. I would be questioning myself as a parent and feeling shame that I had raised a man like that. My love for him as my child would no doubt remain but my disgust at his abuse of vulnerable young people would mean that love would not be expressed by public support of him and I would see my role as his mother to tell him he had to face justice and face the consequences of his actions. The Queen has behaved badly as a human being with regards to her alleged rapist of a son.