Abolishing the Monarcy.

[Helendee]

Good or bad idea and reasons for your opinion?
I don’t feel strongly either way but I am curious about what aspects of becoming a Republic are more beneficial than the UK’s stable current system.

@StoneofDestiny

Did anyone miss them?

That's the point - their invisibility during lockdown shows how little of worth and purpose they do - nothing to miss!

Andrew 'stands down' - no change, nothing missed
Harry 'stands down' - no change, nothing missed
Philip 'stands down' - no change, nothing missed
Fergie 'leaves' - no change, nothing missed
Diana dies - no change, nothing missed
Edward and Sophie - already invisible
Charles - still serving the longest apprenticeship known to man
William - serving the same apprenticeship!
Kate - just a clothes horse expected to look good and say nothing
Beatrice and Eugenie - invisible apart from some vacuous pointless appearances

They are not providing any service essential to the UK or people's well-being - yet are pampered and cosseted at taxpayers expense.

Accident of birth, and some dodgy marriages.

I am happy not to be one of them. They are largely odd.

But paying for their lifestyles is an anachronism nowadays, given the Covid sht that many have to deal with. No one missed them, did you.....even though you are paying for them?

How the heck did they get all those fabulous estates, just by being born. Cannot get it.

Laugh at me if you like, and I don't care anymore after this awful year.

Nobody';s laughing at you veeeeh
You are amongst a lot of people who agree with you.

I do worry about the alternative given the population think Johnson is great
If it's a voting thing, we'd be fucked

I believe if the monarchy don't cut out their nonsense, cut off the extended family hangers on, ditch the expectation of subservience and deference, and start representing their behaviours in a more 21 Century appropriate way - they implode sooner rather than later.

How on earth does William think it's ok to be an apprentice to an apprentice and not do a full time job in the meantime (why not do search and rescue full time?). How on Earth does Kate think a young university educated women should just be a clothes horse and full time stay at home mum - while employing nannies, tutors, cleaners, cooks etc etc - to do the 'household tasks and mothering'? She's kidding nobody except the inane. Diana and Kate both dished up the same tosh - 'my role is to support my husband'. Er ....doing what? Neither have a job, both are serving apprenticeship (and both too old to be apprentices)

Will NOBODY think of Jennie Bond and Paul Burrell? What will they do when we abolish the royal family?

Ah yes, the dreaded Paul Burrell. Considering what was done to keep him out of the witness box, I sometimes wonder exactly what he knows and exactly how much he's been able to monetise it

No wonder he has a smirk on his face most of the time ...

Absolutely not!

God save the Queen!

@Roussette

Nobody';s laughing at you veeeeh You are amongst a lot of people who agree with you.

I do worry about the alternative given the population think Johnson is great
If it's a voting thing, we'd be fucked

Thanks, if I get a chance tomorrow without my tiara and security detail will try to reply

I think they're one of our main USPs and we'd be mad to get rid of them. All that free global publicity.

No, I don’t think I’d should be abolished but I would be in favour of paring it down. It’s a huge part of the country’s identity and tradition.

You look at other countries without a monarchy and it doesn’t seem such an appealing idea.

The Queen IMO has done a good job although I’m not particularly looking forward to Charles’ reign.

Can you imagine Boris Johnson as President?

If only some royalist eejits realised how much the royal family hold them in contempt.

How insulting has Philip been to people far and wide - really racist, patronising and downright rude. If he had a proper job in a proper business and represented a real firm like that - he'd have been sacked.

Likewise Andrew - fraud - abuse of expenses, misuse of public funds, dodgy associations with pedophiles etc. Remember him spraying working TV reporters filming his return from naval duties with a hosepipe full of water - absolute contempt. The fact Andrew though he could hoodwink a professional reporter in his now infamous 'interview'.

Fergie and Sophie - both caught on film selling access to the royal family!

Anybody remember Edward throwing a fit and storming off when reporters didn't praise the shambolic 'it's a knockout'.

Charles, forgetting he was wearing his microphone, insulting a TV reporter whose job was to 'film the royals'. No public apology from him.

Odd - how the royal machine is out to crush and condemn anything Harry and Meghan do or say, but never take issue with any of the others.

@Lightningrain

No, I don’t think I’d should be abolished but I would be in favour of paring it down. It’s a huge part of the country’s identity and tradition.

You look at other countries without a monarchy and it doesn’t seem such an appealing idea.

The Queen IMO has done a good job although I’m not particularly looking forward to Charles’ reign.

Can you imagine Boris Johnson as President?

Boris Johnson can be voted out just like Theresa May was. Royal Family cannot be ejected by any means.

That is the issue, the RF is here forever, just because they were born. Not elected just born.

I personally have not missed them at all over the last year of Covid, have you? Well your tax contributions to them have helped them enormously.

What have they done for you?

@Roussette

Nobody';s laughing at you veeeeh You are amongst a lot of people who agree with you.

I do worry about the alternative given the population think Johnson is great
If it's a voting thing, we'd be fucked

Whatever Johnson is, he is there because he was elected. Your post matches exactly with what the apologists of martial law say in developing nations. Way to win an argument. Not.

Can you imagine Boris Johnson as President?

I can imagine him as much as I can any democratically voted in, short term leader. At least a President would be voted for and it wouldn’t be forever. Far better than despite not necessarily having the intellect or ability to do the job, but being in such a permanent and lifelong position purely because of being born into it.

@LizBennet

Pre watching The Crown I would have said keep the monarchy, I loved the tradition of it all.

After watching it, I say orf with their heads.

You do know the Crown is fiction written by an abolitionist right? It’s not a documentary. It is only inspired by actual events, not what really happened.

@josieorange

The Crown pays more into the system than it takes out thanks to how the system works

I'm not sure that's true?

If the monarchy was abolished Buckingham Palace could be a fabulous tourist attraction

Buckingham Palace already is a tourist attraction. But it won’t be once it stops being a palace with a real life monarch in it. It averages 50,000 visitors of the public per year, although in 2011 the year William and Kate had their wedding, it had 600,000 visitors that summer alone. All on paid tickets.

Doubtful, 4x more people visit the Palace of Versailles than Buck Ho.

I think our lovely French weather has a lot to do with that. Plus Versailles is much more beautiful a building. If you take the monarch out of Buckingham palace, all you have is a gothic monstrosity. The royal family are the attraction for Buckingham palace. You can see that by how visitor numbers are directly affected by things like royal weddings.

I'm not British so it doesn't affect me if they abolish monarchy or not, but I would like to write from a perspective of a tourist and of one that helps future tourists who want to visit London and UK on a well known forum.
I have helped dozens of people to plan their trip to London and nobody ever asked me about royal family. They all want to see Harry Potter studios, have an afternoon tea, have a walk in the Hyde Park, see a West End show, walk the South Bank, visit Sky Garden, British museum, but have zero interest for royal family. And most of the tourists would visit Buckingham palace all year round if that was possible.

Not abolish but certainly tax them.

Yes. In a heartbeat. Looking forward to the Queen's death to enjoy all the pomp and circumstance. The monarchy will not long survive her death, the rest of them try to bridge the gap between them and us which just makes them look like patronising idiots. The Queen takes her role seriously, always has, and is this country's last true monarch without a doubt. Time for them to fade away and become part of our tourist trade not our state.

They are self serving arseholes, colonialists and former slave owners. Can't stand the royal family and am from anti royalist Coventry. Wasn't allowed a day off school to watch Princess Anne get married.

The weather in Versailles is not noticeably better than the weather in London and people would go to Buckingham if you could do a full tour and see all the artwork etc.

@joystir59

Yes. In a heartbeat. Looking forward to the Queen's death to enjoy all the pomp and circumstance. The monarchy will not long survive her death, the rest of them try to bridge the gap between them and us which just makes them look like patronising idiots. The Queen takes her role seriously, always has, and is this country's last true monarch without a doubt. Time for them to fade away and become part of our tourist trade not our state.

You wish the Queen dead?

And you're an anti-Royalist who loves pomp and circumstance?

The Guardian reporting on the interference in our democratic system and siphoning of money from offshore developments has opened my eyes
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-queen-lobbied-for-change-in-law-to-hide-her-private-wealth

Get rid

@Thewithesarehere
Your post matches exactly with what the apologists of martial law say in developing nations. Way to win an argument. Not

Your post is OTT. I only said I worry about the alternative given that a lot of the country rate Johnson. It's a huge stretch to suggest I'd want a dictatorship.

Me and DH went to the Palace of Versailles on our honeymoon a very very long time ago. It was just fantastic.

Not that difficult...we could go alphabetically down Nobel prize winners or award winning authors or distinguished sportspersons. It is a figurehead role to cut ribbons and for people to look up to.

I'd prefer a president to be from ordinary people who have done extraordinary things, Doreen Lawrence would be on my list to be president.