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Twistiesandshout · 2021-02-17T09:57:55+00:00

Another Covid one sorry but am genuinely unsure. I am breastfeeding 10 month old dd. I have the option of booking my jab. Not ready to stop feeding yet due to many reasons. Official guidance changed in late Jan to say breastfeeding mums can have the jab. What would you do? YABU - to turn down jab YANBU - to turn down jab

oakleaffy · 17/02/2021 12:47

Lucky you....I'd take it .

shouldistop · 17/02/2021 12:49

@Bluesheep8 either through their work or due to a health condition or being an unpaid carer possibly. The priority isn't just by age although that's one of the biggest considerations.

oakleaffy · 17/02/2021 12:49

@Bluesheep8

I want to know how all these people under 60 are being offered the jab tbh. I'm CV and I haven't been offered it.

They probably work in healthcare, with old and very vulnerable patients?

VinylDetective · 17/02/2021 12:50

[quote PresentingPercy]@Ginfilledcats
That is longer than 12 week gap. Do you really mean 5 weeks ago? You should have another appointment in April. My jab is Friday and I have a May seconddose appointent. DH had his jab Monday and he has a 3 May appointment. So you are way before us. April appointment surely?[/quote]
I thought the same. I get my jab tomorrow (hurrah!) and the second one’s scheduled for early May.

Ohdeariedear · 17/02/2021 12:52

I would probably take it and stop breastfeeding my child - on the basis that they are 10 mo and I’d be stopping it in a month or two anyway (I stopped my two at 11/12mo). I’d view the wider benefits of the jab to be greater than the benefits of another few weeks of bf for my child. But that’s me, and I might answer differently if the child was 6mo.

murbblurb · 17/02/2021 12:54

reduced chance of suffocating in hospital, reduced chance of life long problems. up to you but I know what I'd do!

if you are really worried you can stop breastfeeding, but the scientists don't think that you need to.

ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax · 17/02/2021 12:55

OP, what is your friend a consultant of? If it isn't something to do with infectious disease, why on earth do you think they know more about it that the pharma companies and scientific advisors who say it is safe?
Also dying isn't the only negative outcome of covid. A significant proportion of people end up with long-covid. It is too early to tell what the longer-term impact of that is.
I honestly think that anyone turning down a vaccine is being grossly irresponsible. Especially when they have dependents.

oakleaffy · 17/02/2021 12:56

Worryingly, a chap I know phoned me yesterday to say he's been

''Given a special vaccine against the new mutations''

He had a first vaccine a few weeks ago.

He said ''You missed out! they were vaccinating all ages, why didn't you look at the local news?

He said it was for certain postcodes only, but he slipped in to get the second, more protective vaccine.

I was annoyed..and phoned my surgery to ask why things had changed?

...........Turns out he was mistaken.
It was a covid testing centre...NOT a vaccine station.

He said ''Yes, it was a throat thing, not a needle''....

HOW can people get so muddled??
He thought he was protected and 'Safe''!

How many other people think the throat swab is a ''Vaccine?!''

WineInTheWillows · 17/02/2021 12:57

@Carriemac

The JCVI advice published on 30 December 2020 says there is no known risk in giving available COVID-19 vaccines to breastfeeding women.

Not to be that person, but they didn't know the risks of thalidomide until they became apparent.

No known risk doesn't necessarily equate to safe.

littlepattilou · 17/02/2021 12:57

@Twistiesandshout Most people on here are saying YABU. But if it was me, I would leave it if I was pregnant or breastfeeding. I probably would be reluctant if I intended to have more children actually.

ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax · 17/02/2021 13:01

Not to be that person, but they didn't know the risks of thalidomide until they became apparent.

One of the most irresponsible comments I have ever seen.
Thalidomide was not a vaccine and was tested under very different conditions to current regimes - over 60 years ago.

Orchidflower1 · 17/02/2021 13:02

@Twistiesandshout the issue is the consultant you’ve spoken to is your friend NOT your consultant. Your own personal physician has said you should have it. It’s been given approval for your situation. Heaven forbid you got if and were left worse off than you are now- how would that affect your Dd?

ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax · 17/02/2021 13:02

I probably would be reluctant if I intended to have more children actually.

Why? What possible ill effects are you imagining? It is a vaccine. It has been safety tested. There are no plausible biological mechanism through which it could cause harm.

WineInTheWillows · 17/02/2021 13:07

@ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax

Not to be that person, but they didn't know the risks of thalidomide until they became apparent.

One of the most irresponsible comments I have ever seen.
Thalidomide was not a vaccine and was tested under very different conditions to current regimes - over 60 years ago.

Never said it was a vaccine. I'm pointing out that they can't say there are no risks and that no known risks doesn't mean no risks. There have been a couple of more recent ones, less well known. There was a meningitis drug that caused narcolepsy, for instance.

It's up to the individual of course, but we can't categorically say it's safe and I think it's pretty irresponsible to lie to people about that. Informed choice means you need to be honest.

WineInTheWillows · 17/02/2021 13:11

@ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax

I probably would be reluctant if I intended to have more children actually.

Why? What possible ill effects are you imagining? It is a vaccine. It has been safety tested. There are no plausible biological mechanism through which it could cause harm.

There was something in the news about a part of the vaccine being similar to a protein present on the placenta, if memory serves. This caused people to worry that training the immune system to recognise it as a threat may cause the body to attack placentas, causing recurrent miscarriage. The scientists said this wouldn't happen- I think because the proteins were different.

I might be misremembering though, so worth a Google.

WatchWatch · 17/02/2021 13:11

The unproven effect on dd. The unknown really.

Early research is showing the vaccine doesn't pass in to breast milk. I'm part of a study on lactating mother's (I'm donating 30-60ml per day to the study). Antibodies found, vaccine not found. Study continues. I chose to have the vaccine, before the study started.

WineInTheWillows · 17/02/2021 13:14

@WatchWatch

The unproven effect on dd. The unknown really.

Early research is showing the vaccine doesn't pass in to breast milk. I'm part of a study on lactating mother's (I'm donating 30-60ml per day to the study). Antibodies found, vaccine not found. Study continues. I chose to have the vaccine, before the study started.

Ooh, that's excellent news!

confused1974 · 17/02/2021 13:15

@Bluesheep8 I am CV, category 6 and have had the jab 2 weeks ago. I'm in London

Pumperthepumper · 17/02/2021 13:16

It's up to the individual of course, but we can't categorically say it's safe and I think it's pretty irresponsible to lie to people about that.

Of course we can say it’s safe. Comparing it to thalidomide is ridiculous- why thalidomide and not, say, trepanning? Both have an equal relationship with a virus, ie none.

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Twistiesandshout · 17/02/2021 13:18

@WatchWatch

The unproven effect on dd. The unknown really.

Early research is showing the vaccine doesn't pass in to breast milk. I'm part of a study on lactating mother's (I'm donating 30-60ml per day to the study). Antibodies found, vaccine not found. Study continues. I chose to have the vaccine, before the study started.

Thanks watch, really interesting! will google to see if any recent study results.

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whatsleep · 17/02/2021 13:19

If you have a medical condition that means you would be at less risk by having the vaccine, maybe you should think about the option of stopping breast feeding then having the vaccine? I know you’ve said you’re not ready to stop but at least this way you will have the protection of the vaccine without any (possible) negative effects on your baby’s health.

Original poster

Twistiesandshout · 17/02/2021 13:19

Only just now having break from work.

it's so interesting to me that most people would have the vaccine. I would have thought the opposite! Am reading through comments now.

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WineInTheWillows · 17/02/2021 13:20

@Pumperthepumper

It's up to the individual of course, but we can't categorically say it's safe and I think it's pretty irresponsible to lie to people about that.

Of course we can say it’s safe. Comparing it to thalidomide is ridiculous- why thalidomide and not, say, trepanning? Both have an equal relationship with a virus, ie none.

Doubt anyone said trepanning was safe, even back in the day.

We really can't say it's definitely safe. We can say we think it's safe. Different thing.

Bluesheep8 · 17/02/2021 13:20

@Bluesheep8I am CV, category 6 and have had the jab 2 weeks ago. I'm in London

Hmmm I'm group 6 too.

ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax · 17/02/2021 13:20

Never said it was a vaccine. I'm pointing out that they can't say there are no risks and that no known risks doesn't mean no risks. There have been a couple of more recent ones, less well known. There was a meningitis drug that caused narcolepsy, for instance.

Drug are not vaccines, and medical knowledge now is not stuck in the 1960s. What is the mechanism by which you think the vaccine could cause an ill effect?
Of course 'no known risks' is not the same as 'no risks'. But it is impossible to guarantee that anything is 100% safe - there is always the possibility that however much testing you do there is a small risk you have not detected. But that does not stop people from taking 1000s of other treatments. There is, however, a very real risk associated with covid - 120000 people in this country have already died of it, and 100s of thousands more will suffer the effects of long covid.