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'Lockdown 'til Spring'

84 replies

Caspah · 06/02/2021 23:01

Why? The Goverment won't even tell us their definition of spring or summer - surely there's some scientific involvement in deciding when spring/summer occurs? This third lockdown is going to be the longest of the lot. In my area I'm hopefully going to get a vaccine soon, but what difference does it make to me if I can't go anywhere?

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Doomsdayiscoming · 07/02/2021 10:12

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But those figures were just updated on Wikipeadia yesterday.

I’ll look elsewhere to see if they are wrong

You are right. 4m have tested positive officially.

But as they think 100,000 per day were positive in Wave 1. A lot didn’t get added to that figure.

Plus many young people will be asymptomatic. Again, they’ve had it but not officially added to the 4m.

I am normally very very pessimistic but the current trends are massively hopeful.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/02/2021 10:13

But how can you get herd immunity with a virus that develops mutations to get round the immunity and can reinfect with another strain?

I think herd immunity is a myth.

Goodbye2020Helllo2021 · 07/02/2021 10:13

Hotels have closed bookings until April 1st.
A clue maybe?

Echobelly · 07/02/2021 10:14

We can't talk about dates, only degrees of drop in infection, hospital admissions and deaths that can trigger changes, and even this moronic government is beginning to realise that.

There us very much a point in getting vaccinated while on lockdown - such as the fact it takes a few weeks to bed in and protection is still incomplete until second dose, but if we are patient, and don't rush into reopening we can do so with a much lower cases and more people vaccinated, making for a much better, less burdened rest of the year.

MaxNormal · 07/02/2021 10:14

There's a section for this topic.

MarshaBradyo · 07/02/2021 10:17

We’ll know more on Feb 22

Doomsdayiscoming · 07/02/2021 10:17

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

One in 8 here.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-one-in-eight-had-coronavirus-in-england-by-december-last-year-survey-estimates-12192323

Still not herd immunity, approx 12-13% of people. I hardly know anyone who’s had it.

What line of work are you, your family, etc in?

I have a BIL who has had it (Hospital doctor), 3x cousins and their families (two nhs physiotherapists (couple 1) two doctors (couple 2) and a nurse (couple 3).

My Gran has had it at a care home aged 91. She had the vaccine on Friday (had to wait as she had covid+ test in early Jan).

I work in science at a small company - 30 people. Only 1 person has had it officially. Because we are mainly closed loops with low interaction with likely sources.

If you don’t know people that have had it, it’s because you work and live in a fortunate position. And it’s probably unlikely you or your F+F would ever get it under current restrictions.

Goodbye2020Helllo2021 · 07/02/2021 10:17

@MaxNormal

There's a section for this topic.
🙄
theDudesmummy · 07/02/2021 10:18

In Ireland it is already spring ( Misses the point...)

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/02/2021 10:22

Actually l know a few. Just remembered a friend and dss.

I work from home but have a dd in school. But l still don’t know many people who work out of home or in school community who’ve had it.

RaspberryCoulis · 07/02/2021 10:23

Great to see the gloom-mongers are finding a new thread to sink their teeth into.

2-5 years, immunity doesn't last, mutations, vaccine doesn't work against new strains.... Hmm

What's the goal here - total eradication of Covid virus, or stopping most people dying? Because they're not the same thing.

Even Chris Whitty, who is the most gloomiest gloom merchant around had a chart last week showing the age spread of people who had died, set against the groups being vaccinated. Take away from the graph was that once over 50s are done, deaths will be tiny. Once groups 1-4 are done (think that's the over 70s) deaths will reduce hugely.

Reports this morning are that the AZ vaccine might not be effective against people getting mild symptoms from the South Africa strain. So what? People get mildly ill. Big deal. The hospitals won't be overrun with Covid patients and in the very unlikely scenario that they need treatment in hospital, there's loads of space.

And as for the "immunity doesn't last" there are already plans for the vulnerable to have an annual Covid jab along with their annual flu jab if that's needed.

Numbers are falling like a stone across the UK. We have vaccinated TEN MILLION PEOPLE and that's something we should be applauding, not bitching about.

Sorry doom mongers, we know how much you've loved the last year staying at home having quality #makingmemories time with your pre-shus famalam. And twitching your curtains about people leaving the house, sitting on park benches and all the rest of it.

Unfortunately you're going to have to find something else to fill your sad, empty little lives now, as the rest of us are seeing light at the end of a very long, miserable tunnel and can't wait to ditch the masks and get back to seeing people.

MarshaBradyo · 07/02/2021 10:27

Re pp agree we only need vaccine to stop severe illness, hospitalisation and death. It’s early days but at least Sarah Gilbert is talking about confidence around this.

Doomsdayiscoming · 07/02/2021 10:28

I mean the SA variant may well become a big deal, but yeah agree with everything else. Even if the SA variant does cause an issue for current vaccines, they will just create a new version for next Autumn/winter.

We are nearing the end of winter, a load of people have had it, and a load of people have been given a first shot of the vaccine offering some protection.

I think people will be less gloomy in about 1-2 weeks. By then we’ll probably be sub 10k daily cases (under 2% positivity, and falling) and under 20k people in hospital (and falling rapidly).

speaksofty · 07/02/2021 10:30

We can be quite sure most things will be open by Easter, that has always been the goal, any lifting of restrictions before then will be a massive bonus.

I won't be following any restrictions from the end of March onwards regardless of SAGE advice. I am done with this now. I will start seeing groups of friends, having dinner together, kids will have sleepovers and we restart summer sports. I am not going to do this any longer than is strictly necessary. I have given up approaching a year of my life for others already. The most vulnerable are now vaccinated, and that is it for me.

The shifting of goalposts is driving me nuts.

Lets stick with the plan. We stay in lockdown until the NHS pressure eases. End of. Not until every last person is vaccinated, not until everyone 'feels safe', not until we see smoke signals in the sky. We have to stay focused. The hospital pressure and the R number should remain our measure.

If they close the borders properly we could be a in a very good place by the spring and summer.

GoldenOmber · 07/02/2021 10:33

Vaccines are getting done, but they are behind schedule already, as I thought they would be to be honest.

Hmm
MarshaBradyo · 07/02/2021 10:34

@GoldenOmber

Vaccines are getting done, but they are behind schedule already, as I thought they would be to be honest.

Hmm

Ditto Confused

How are we behind? How are people so down on everything even the successful parts

speaksofty · 07/02/2021 10:35

We are actually ahead of the vaccine schedule golden

GoldenOmber · 07/02/2021 10:42

Indeed MarshaBradyo. It’s not like the government hasn’t cocked up plenty of things but the vaccine rollout is very clearly not one of them. We’re at over 3m a week now! How is that ‘behind schedule’?

peak2021 · 07/02/2021 10:44

The government are being vague because it depends on cases falling and continuing the excellent progress in vaccination.

As for the difference once you are vaccinated, surely knowing you cannot catch the virus is something to be pleased about? Even if you cannot go far.

Goodbye2020Helllo2021 · 07/02/2021 10:50

Raspberry
Sorry doom mongers, we know how much you've loved the last year staying at home having quality #makingmemories time with your pre-shus famalam. And twitching your curtains about people leaving the house, sitting on park benches and all the rest of it.

Unfortunately you're going to have to find something else to fill your sad, empty little lives now, as the rest of us are seeing light at the end of a very long, miserable tunnel and can't wait to ditch the masks and get back to seeing people.

I agree that this situation been handled badly by both the Government & the public.
Patronising superiority won’t change anything.

CakeRequired · 07/02/2021 11:02

Indeed MarshaBradyo. It’s not like the government hasn’t cocked up plenty of things but the vaccine rollout is very clearly not one of them. We’re at over 3m a week now! How is that ‘behind schedule’?

Both Wales and Scotland have missed their targets on the over 80s being vaccinated. As they are part of the United Kingdom, for now, that means the UK is behind schedule. Hopefully they can catch up again.

LemonSherbetFancies · 07/02/2021 13:01

We won't be in lockdown in January 2022 Hmm

Godimabitch · 07/02/2021 13:09

Why?... because there's a fucking pandemic. The viruses haven't all come together agreed a timescale with the government and agreed a date that we can go the pub safely.

It really pisses me off watching those Q&As where people are asking for a specific date for something reopening. How are they supposed to know? And when he does say "we think by ......" and then something changes and it's not by then he gets "you said we'd be able to go to school by ...... and now its changed, why is that?"
Clearly first time the lockdown wasn't long enough was it, because it got even worse afterwards, so its logical that this time its going to be longer because cases are higher and cases will need to be lower this time when we reopen.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/02/2021 13:20

Godimabitch, I do agree!
I’m so tired of the speculation. When schools will open, how many can we meet, serving beer inside/ outside.

They said she’s ago, that March was the earliest schools will open and now it’s constantly about they WILL open then.

I think lessons should have been learnt from last lockdown, and not to open up too early, but it’s all the the pressure talk about.

listsandbudgets · 07/02/2021 13:20

I've just given up hoping for or expecting anything. If something good happens thats fine but all they ever do is roll things back and back. Just numb and if not for DCs would be past caring