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Men who falsely accuse women of rape

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xfdzfd · 29/01/2021 19:37

Hi, I am very sorry if this is not the right forum for this, but I've been interested for the last few days about men who falsely accuse women of rape. Someone I know recently told me that there is an alarming number of women who lose custody of their kids because their ex-husbands and ex-boyfriends falsely accused them of sexual violence. I cannot find any breakdown of who falsely accuses who, so I am going by the statistics that in both the USA and Britain that false rape accusations make up 2-5% of total accusations for any gender against any gender. She hasn't provided a source on men who falsely accuse women. I also remember reading from Karen Ingala Smith that men have a tendency to overestimate the violence they sustain and underestimate their contribution to the violence. Is what this person saying really true? Is there an epidemic of men falsely accusing women of sexual violence in an attempt to abuse the family court system?

By the way, I'm not an MRA. Tackling sexual violence against men is something that means a lot to me, because I was part of a student group who provided services to survivors of rape and sexual abuse in my university. Although I have not done this since graduating, I have been focused on advocating for better services for men sustaining abuse and rape, and I have donated to 1in6 before. These recent comments were very upsetting and I wanted to get a better sense of why she might have made them. Am I being unreasonable for doubting the veracity of her claims?

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OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 30/01/2021 09:36

And where’s op gone? I get this feeling this was a fishing expedition.

Rupertbeartrousers · 30/01/2021 09:37

Karen Ingala Smith is a legend.

I’m sure you’d find the vast vast majority of male sexual assault victims are the victims of other men. Also yet to hear a case where a woman has killed or seriously injured a man during sex (compare and contrast with women and the rough sex defence).
The power balance is almost always in the man’s favour.

Rare exceptions might be relationships between adult women (eg teachers) and teenage boys, and issues of consent regarding contraception/pregnancy. But still not rape.

PicsInRed · 30/01/2021 09:38

On the one hand, I'm inclined to ask the OP what the fuck they're on about Hmm but then I'm mindful that there are no shameless lengths to which the Father's Rights and MRA loonies won't go on order to retain "their" victims women in legal bondage ... I'll reserve judgment.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if false rape accusations against their victims becomes a stable of the loony male activist set. Women, however, very seldom do anything of the sort and are sexually and physically attacked on a mass, serial and pandemic scale.

You got any (mainstream and IT safe) links OP?

PicsInRed · 30/01/2021 09:38

*staple

Casschops · 30/01/2021 09:57

Get your operational definition right first. Either way false accusations of sexual violence from one person to another is wrong as it discredits those who have actually been through it and ruins lives of those falsely accused.

NiceGerbil · 30/01/2021 19:31

Katie it was all over the news a year or so ago if you Google

blablasmthsmth · 30/01/2021 23:01

[quote BilboBercow]@toconclude of course transwomen aren't all rapists. However there is an uplift in the numbers of women committing rape in England and Wales. As it's been pointed out, the crime of rape requires a penis.

Women can be convicted of rape as a joint venture with a man but only one woman in the UK has. Therefore that uplift can only be caused by transwomen. This gives MRAs the right to say "look women rape too" when statistically it's just not true. It means that people who commit crimes against women with a penis are locked up with the very people they offend against.[/quote]
Well said!

KatieGGGG · 31/01/2021 15:22

@NiceGerbil I have and nothing comes up. Can you show me?

NiceGerbil · 31/01/2021 16:53

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5465541/amp/Record-number-women-convicted-sex-crimes-Britain.html

6 women convicted of rape in 2016.

Rape in English and Welsh law requires a penis.

Women can be done for rape as a joint enterprise but that is very very rare.

KatieGGGG · 31/01/2021 18:47

@NiceGerbil nowhere in that link does it state that these 6 instances weren’t joint enterprise, and nowhere does it state that the 6 were indeed males that have identified as females. It’s that “evidence” that I’m seeking.

NiceGerbil · 31/01/2021 20:00

Well you're going to have to seek yourself then.

KatieGGGG · 31/01/2021 20:01

I can’t find it because it doesn’t exist and you’re talking bollocks.

NiceGerbil · 31/01/2021 20:02

Rather than spend my time googling because your knee jerk reaction is that I'm not telling the truth.

NiceGerbil · 31/01/2021 20:07

That's what you said about the first statement that rape committed by women had gone up.

And so I gave you a link and now you're saying I want this.

What you need to do is look at the government stats site and then dig down and find reports on those female rapists.

It's a substantial piece of research.

Meanwhile I know of at least one trans women sex offender whose crimes will have be recorded as female. Because they were in the news. For sexually attacking some other inmates in the women's prison.

If you Google I think there are more tbh.

Your idea that any of those women rapists could be transwomen is utter bollocks, based on no evidence, is telling. Prove to me that none of them were then. 2016.

KatieGGGG · 31/01/2021 20:11

You admitted upthread your claim is based on zero statistics and instead because you simply don’t believe women commit such crimes. You’ve determined (based on no evidence whatsoever) that the system must instead be recording men who self-ID as women as “women” in order to reach an entire six (yes six) in 2016.

Pedalling false information based on emotion is unhelpful.

I can assure you the MOJ is not complicit in the incorrect gender recording of such crimes. Really.

VegetableLove · 31/01/2021 20:16

I can assure you the MOJ is not complicit in the incorrect gender recording of such crimes. Really.

Cool. That's great news. Massive relief. You'll be able to prove it, right?

unmarkedbythat · 31/01/2021 20:17

Whatever the biological sexes and gender identities of anyone involved, as horrible as false accusations of rape and sexual assault are, I do not for a moment believe they are remotely as common as rapes and sexual assaults which go unaddressed.

mindutopia · 31/01/2021 20:27

I know someone who claims to have been drugged with date rape drugs and assaulted not once, not twice, but all three times his ex wife conceived their children. He has no doubt attempted to use this to worm his way out of paying maintenance for his dc. His new wife and her family fully buy it though and are very, oh, poor him. Hmm

DiWoo · 31/01/2021 20:28

“I can assure you the MOJ is not complicit in the incorrect gender recording of such crimes. Really”

How do you “assure” us? Do you work there? Do you compile the figures?
There was a case of someone the other day where the judge referred to the rapist as “she” just how will you “assure” us that this won’t be recorded as a rape by a woman?
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/01/18/trans-woman-jailed-for-15-years-for-raping-another-woman-13921362/amp/

JustAnotherOldMan · 31/01/2021 20:31

So would this be classed as underage sex as boy was reported as being 15 at the time
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/married-teacher-pupil-sex-underage-b1794099.html

DiWoo · 31/01/2021 20:53

Now that I’ve googled a bit more I’m even less convinced of your “assurances”, this article here shows the former prisons minister taking about the female prison staff in the women’s prison being raped by the “female” inmates!!!! If these people are in the women’s prison, I would assume they are counted as women!

“The claim is the first public reference to trans women assaulting prison staff in women's jails, but it follows warnings that allowing malebodied criminals into female jails puts women in danger.”

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211325/amp/Female-prison-officers-raped-inmates-self-identify-trans-women-claim.html

NiceGerbil · 31/01/2021 20:58

'You admitted upthread your claim is based on zero statistics and instead because you simply don’t believe women commit such crimes. '

Erm, no. There has been an increase of convictions involving women and underage boys. It seems to happen a lot with teachers and students. That's abuse and I'm pleased those women are being prosecuted. And that the narrative that the boys are 'lucky' is being slowly eroded.

So why you think I think women can't be sex offenders is anyone's guess. You're making stuff up tbh.

KatherineOfAragon · 01/02/2021 07:42

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the request of the OP.

Rowenasemolina · 01/02/2021 07:45

@MorganKitten

A man who penetrates a woman with his penis but claims he did not consent to penetrating her has not been raped.

There have been female social workers who have sex with boys under 16, and female teachers who have done the same. Are you saying that isn’t rape?
Because if that happens with a 15 year old girl (even if she thinks she’s consenting) it’s rape due to her being underage.

It’s not right, or legal, but it’s not rape, unless it’s done with a penis