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Really worried about dc's behaviour?

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OtterAtTheZoo · 23/01/2021 16:05

My ds is 3 years and 2 months old and I'm worried about his ability to talk and his behaviour. He can say single words like different animals, objects (like book, ball, train, car, different toys, household items), different food items. He knows the colours and can count to twenty and knows the alphabet. He can answer basic factual questions “What is this?” “What colour is this?” giving one word answers and can repeat things on tv or stories from memory but doesn’t really say anything that is his own idea. He will bring the correct book if we ask "bring postman bear" for example. Pronunciation is quite poor. Alot sounds like gibberish. Like he was in the bath and I think he was repeating the gruffalo book aloud but most was gibberish and could only make out words like big bad mouse and gruffalo. He doesn’t really use words to communicate, just makes moans and grunts. Only exception so far is he can point to the drawing set and say “painting” when he wants to draw. He doesn't say hungry, thirsty, tired or toilet to communicate needs to us. So he isn't potty trained. He pees on the toilet in the morning or during the day occasionally if we manage to take him at the right time. He seems to never respond to his name and seems to only obey when it is something he wants to do anyway.
He can assemble 20 - 35 piece jigsaw puzzles on his own and do tablet games. He is very energetic and loves to run around or jump on sofa and climb on furniture. He is just starting to understand tidying up and sometimes helps if he sees you put things away. He doesn't engage in compulsive sorting. He has no problem with noise, physical contact with people and affection. He does like some things repeatedly like reading certain books.
If he has a tantrum he will fall to the floor and groan or say “help me, help me”. He can be happy running around, fall and maybe will go into tantrum mode for 30 min or will be just fine. It is hard to predict.

He hasn’t had contact with other children because of coronavirus lockdown and I am a sahm so he is not in nursery.
I don’t know if this is any indication of a problem or he is just a very stubborn child who’s a bit behind with communication.

I try to talk lots during the day, explaining what I am doing. We read everyday to him. Do paintings, playdoh, stickers, lego and trains with him. Trying to do simple games with him like pop up dragon game but he doesn't understand taking turns. We take him for walks outside and he runs arounds and like to pick up things like flowers. He isn't that interested in swings and slides. Is there anything else we could be doing? I'm worried I am not doing enough/ because I'm a bad mother.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Any advice? He was supposed to have a hearing test last year but it was cancelled due to coronavirus. I don't think it's his hearing. Then later last year they put us on waiting list for speech therapy and it starts at the end of next February with online group sessions. Is there anyone else we can see? Should we privately see a speech therapist or child psychologist or something? Thank you for reading and appreciate any advice.

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Serin · 23/01/2021 18:23

One of mine was very similar at 3 and even at 5 his speech was very slow. He was in the slower stream all through primary and had extra help from a classroom assistant. However he really found his stride in high school, left with 3 excellent science A levels and is at uni now.
He would still communicate by pointing at cans of lager if I let him and he fits right in with his rugby mates as all they do is make "ugg" noises anyway.

averythinline · 23/01/2021 18:33

I would look on your local council website family information service to see if there are some nurseries around that will take a 3yr old funded place....
It sounds like you do lovely things with him and really look after him but possibly his communication skills are not the clearest..a nursery/preschool can help with those and also will have contacts and be able to access support if he needs it..
Talk to your health visitor as well and also maybe look for your local speech therapy service... where i live you can call them yourself...some places you have to go via GP..
Preschool really helped my kids in preparing for school they only went 3 mornings a week as I was a sahm

His understanding of books sounds good but maybe he just needs to communicate with people who don't know him....that helped my dc ..as I understood them but others didn't..so they had to learn...they loved it ...

babbit87 · 23/01/2021 18:41

Hi OP id just like to say it sounds like you are doing a brilliant job as a mum, all the activities you are doing with him sound amazing. The fact that you are questioning that there may be a concern makes you a brilliant mum too, if you ignored it then that's when to worry!

His behaviours sound like typical toddler boy to me but it does sound like his speech is a bit delayed. Some of what he is capable of is far better than my DD who is similar age!

Agree with others that SALT, HV, GP & Nursery would be my go to - they really do learn so much more by being with other children. be aware it can take a while to get appointments.

In the meantime just keep talking. And agree that cbeebies can be a help especially number blocks & alpha blocks.

Although my DD did also learn a lot from the Octonauts too so don't feel bad about normal cartoons either! shocked me when watching David Attenborough one day she said "ooooh a mantaray" at age 3!?!

You are doing your absolute best in very tough times when its not always easy to reach out to outside agencies.

Hope it all goes well 🙏

picklemewalnuts · 23/01/2021 18:42

You say you think you aren't doing enough, that you might be a bad mum- you are not! You sound like you are doing all the right things, and you've noticed a problem and sought help and advice.

It's good your will be doing Salt with him- that will help and also give you someone to talk to. I second getting him some nursery hours, if you feel it's safe for your family. CBeebies educational programmes are great, don't worry about him watching tv.

That's extremely advance jigsaw skills, by the way.

Pinkblueberry · 23/01/2021 18:45

Can I put him in nursery for just the 15 hours and in lockdown if I'm a sahm?

Of course! Some see it at 15 hours of childcare, it’s not it’s early years education. Especially for an only child in lockdown this is actually quite important I think as by this age he does need interaction with other children, learning to share and socialise - they do start making friends at this age.

InTheDrunkTank · 23/01/2021 18:47

Like others I would definitely go for nursery, either way the socialisation will be great for him and peer interaction at that age helps language development. I'd also discuss development with nursery after a few weeks and if they have concerns push for an assessment.

BaggoMcoys · 23/01/2021 18:52

Sounds mostly normal to me except the speech is a little behind I think. Perhaps one day he will suddenly start jabbering away, or it may be that he needs a little extra help with that. Yu mentioned an appointment for a speech therapist so I would just wait for that and keep talking to him as much as you can in the meantime.

I agree very much about nursery. My dd was a bit slower than her peers in a few different areas, but when she started at nursery we saw a huge improvement quite quickly.

Everything's a bit of a worry when they're that age, but I know for me with dd, I'd spend months worrying over something only for her to wake up one day and start doing whatever the thing was that I'd been worried about. My dd does have some additional needs, which I had suspected, but all the basic developmental stuff did happen without any outside intervention. It just happened at her own pace. I have learned not to worry too much and just do my best to support and encourage her, while reassuring myself that she will get there when she is ready.

Neolara · 23/01/2021 19:01

His language certainly sounds delayed. You can have language delay without autism. Lack of interaction with peers due to covid is likely to have delayed some social skills. Lots of 3 year olds will tantrum and have difficulty taking turns.

In the first instance, you could discuss your concerns with the speech and language therapist (salt), either NHS or private. If you were still concerned, you could ask your GP for a referral to a paediatrician.

Oysterbabe · 23/01/2021 19:03

His speech is very delayed and I'd be seeking help from a private SALT. He does sound quite advanced in other areas.
My son is almost exactly the same age and doesn't stop chattering at anyone who will listen all day. He couldn't do a 35 piece puzzle however, nowhere near.

user1471457757 · 23/01/2021 19:07

My now four year old had a speech delay and I did a lot of group speech therapy with him. The groups focus on teaching the parents techniques to help improve their child's speech so I don't think that it matters your child doesn't engage very well on the computer. I know my child wouldn't have at that age and I expect most three year olds would be the same.

According to the speech therapist we saw a three year old should be saying sentences comprised of three keys words, for example I go park or he throws ball.

It's very common for three year olds to hit especially when they have a speech delay and are frustrated because they can't make themselves understood so I wouldn't worry too much about that. As my son's speech improved he stopped getting so frustrated and hitting out.

Ohalrightthen · 23/01/2021 19:09

I can't believe how many people are saying this is normal for a 3yr old - at 2 he should have been saying 2-word phrases, by 3 you should expect near complete simple sentences.

If i were you, I'd

-get him into a nursery ASAP
-get his hearing checked
-get a referral for a FACE TO FACE, ONE ON ONE SALT

WillyWasAWatchdog · 23/01/2021 19:13

Push for a hearing test ASAP, it could be as simple as that. Just because he may respond to noise does NOT mean he is able to hear the speech sounds required to be able to understand and learn language.

shouldistop · 23/01/2021 19:14

I don't know why people are saying this is normal for a 3yo. If you've described him accurately then I'd say there definitely is some sort of problem there.
When was the last time he saw his health visitor? I'd definitely look into getting him into nursery for his funded hours too.

shouldistop · 23/01/2021 19:15

I'm worried I am not doing enough/ because I'm a bad mother.

You sound like you're doing all the right things op, you're not a bad mother.

Callingallskeletons · 23/01/2021 19:16

I would enquire with HV or Pedriatric dr OP because although it does sound like you have a lovely little boy after 10+ years worth of daily experience with children with ASD I would definitely say your child is exhibiting some of the common signs for diagnosis criteria

I would definitely speak to someone in regards to his communication, even if speech itself is delayed the fact he does not seek or engage with you to convey his needs speaks volumes

Butiwantto · 23/01/2021 19:16

I agree with @Jessbow. My DN was similar and would communicate needs by pointing/grunting rather than verbalising. There was no issue with her speech, she’d just found her own way of getting her needs met and was sticking with it! A few months later and all that was a thing of the past SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

Butiwantto · 23/01/2021 19:18

Sorry - no idea where all the smiley faces came from Blush

Callingallskeletons · 23/01/2021 19:19

I would say though to definitely get his hearing checked ASAP just to rule that out

Either way although it’s a concern for you your son does sound delightful and you’re obviously a very dedicated mum OP 💐 xXx

NoOneOwnsTheRainbow · 23/01/2021 19:25

We're behind for the same things (but younger DC so we're currently missing the milestones before the ones that you're missing). I've spoke to my HV and was told it's normal for a bilingual child. Do you speak more than one language at home?

Jubaju · 23/01/2021 19:29

Did he have his 2yr check ??

Owerly · 23/01/2021 19:30

My son didn't talk at 3. We had his hearing checked and wound up in SALT. I would say, if you can get hold of it, the book 'it takes two to talk' is really useful. It's the main resource the salt team we saw used. He is now six and still has speech therapy within school but he talks and can be understood. I would say try not to worry too much but I would have ignored that!

IHateCoronavirus · 23/01/2021 19:32

This might help. Here is the Development Matters Document that Early Years Professionals use
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/944603/Development_Matters_-_non-statuatory_cirriculum_guidance_for_EYFS.pdf
Take a look at the skills for the 3-4 year old children to see where you little one sits against the expectations for children his age.

As an early years teacher, a child over 30 months not responding to their name would be a cause for concern regarding communication. Being able to complete more complex jigsaws, being able to sequence large numbers, letters of the alphabet etc can often be a red herring regarding a child being where they need to be. It is not uncommon for children with communication disorders to be absolutely brilliant in certain areas of development.

1AngelicFruitCake · 23/01/2021 19:33

I’m a nursery teacher and I’m surprised a previous posters saying he sounds like a typical 3 year old! The lack of speech/ability to communicate is something you need to get looked at as a matter of priority. Will he be starting reception in 2022 or this year? You sound like a lovely mum so hopefully you’re able to get some help.

TrashKitten10 · 23/01/2021 19:38

It sounds like you're doing a great job but as a pre-school teacher I would say that he has quite significant language delays and it would definitely be worth pushing for some support from your health visitor. As others have said, nursery can be hugely beneficial for children's development and they can be helpful in pushing for support if they're also noticing development delays.

You say that he can answer simple 'what' questions but what else can he understand? Could he respond appropriately to questions involving '2 key words' ie "Give me the spoon and cup" (from a small selection of objects) or "Put the teddy under the blanket/in the box" (again with a small selection of objects to choose from). Could he answer simple questions about a story as you read? Ie "Where is Red Riding Hood going to? Who's porridge did Goldilocks eat?" That would indicate if he just has a speech delay or if he's also struggling with his listening, attention and understanding of language.

Pineapples3 · 23/01/2021 19:41

The only thing I would feel slightly concerned about is the lack of speech. I agree putting him into nursery may help OP! I’m a SAHM & my DD3 uses her 15 hours by just going 2 mornings a week, she has learnt a lot... things I wouldn’t of thought to teach her.

They’ve also helped me realise what she should be doing in time for school next year that she wasn’t, like putting her coat on herself... we’re working on it! 😂 my DD also isn’t potty trained, she’s quite scared of it but I think seeing the other children go at nursery is helping her. I really think it would benefit you both, and if they have any concerns they’ll flag them with you!

Don’t panic though, trust your gut!