to be slightly terrified by people who think the Magna Carta is still sovereign and that the government is operating under maritime law?

[CutsOffCorners]

And that birth certificates are invalid and steal your identity as a free human

I keep being recommended a FB group that 3 of my possibly soon to be ex "friends" (people I went to school with and my ex partners sister) have joined and it's a whole new sort of batshittery

I just don't understand why anyone believes this? They're all on about not registering babies and swearing oaths to barons and standing under common law and it's just SO MUCH BOLLOCKS that I'm genuinely baffled as to why thousands of people are taking it seriously. It's quite scary seeing how taken in they all are.

I think its good those with a doubble digit iq revel themselves early with something like this.

Saves you accidentally trusting them with something Important

They want to be ruled by the aristocrats rather than democracy again? Well, idiots will be idiots...

We get a lot of correspondence from 'Freemans', in my work, always wordy, deem themselves absolved of any law, no need to pay taxes etc, yet quite happy to take from the state when it suits, and it appears that a birth certificate is a perfectly legitimate document when it benefits them!

Their secret magic words clearly work very well for them in court:

Jump to 7 minute mark for the best bit

I've come across a few friends sharing these types of content. When I went to look at the authors page, they start from anti vaxx and go into how bad calpol is for babies to no birth registration as the government owns them. I swiftly blocked these pages as I don't want these 'free men' bullshit on my recommended pages. You will never win an argument against them as they are absolute nuts and so deluded but I can see how easy it is to be caught up with them. I also don't understand why they are so aggressive and angry all the time.

That FB page is great if you like to laugh at batshittery. I scrolled down and found someone who used to live locally and it didn't surprise me in the slightest that she was on there. She's plainly not changed since moving away and is still as much of a conspiraloon as she was when she lived here. I feel sorry for her DC though - they were all home schooled and I can only imagine what type of batshittery she has been filling their minds with.

@user1471447863

Thank you so much for posting that. I laughed way more than I should have. I’m going straight to hell

@Wbeezer

Is this related to the sovereign citizen stuff that is a thing in the US? There is definitely a weird conjunction of lentil weaving and right wing ideas going about, more so in the States, it's unsettling.

Definitely related to the Sov Cit movement. Australia have them as do Germany.

The American ones do have roots in the ultra right wing groups such as Posse Comitatus. There are also the Moorish Americans who espouse that the USA is really Moroccan land and that they own it all. Or something like that.

The American videos tend to end up with window breaks, tasering or occasionally swift application of massively enthusiastic police dog.

Is it maritime law or martial law?

What is maritime law?

@tttigress

Is it maritime law or martial law?

What is maritime law?

Maritime law is the law of the sea. These loonies assert that governments only have jurisdiction over the sea. Hence "Freeman on the Land". It's bollocks, the Crown can have jurisdiction over anything it likes and there's not much to stop it.

YANBU These people are utterly hatstand.

@user1471447863

Their secret magic words clearly work very well for them in court:

Jump to 7 minute mark for the best bit

I really admire their restraint waiting that long!

I got this one today, explaining 'Common Law'
www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=xMKIk8hYWJg

Yes there appears to be another pandemic of sheer idiocy running concurrent to the coronavirus one.

The lack of critical thinking is terrifying.

He deserved that Tasering .

Every day ...

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/ingleby-man-land-who-didnt-19657289

An Ingleby Barwick resident who claimed to be "a man on the land" to get round a planning breach has been hit with a court bill totalling almost £1,000.

(contd)

The reason this is catching on is the modern fad for "being kind" and not telling people who are fucking idiots that they are indeed fucking idiots, in my opinion.

@Wbeezer

Is this related to the sovereign citizen stuff that is a thing in the US? There is definitely a weird conjunction of lentil weaving and right wing ideas going about, more so in the States, it's unsettling.

LOL to 'lentil weaving'.

Yes, yes, yes @SerendipityJane!!!!

My friend seems to be going this way. I'm gutted, but not terrified.

Most of them just don’t want to pay bills. I work in Council Tax and we had one of these idiots, owed around £10 grand in total as didn’t pay for years, bailiffs could never get a payment etc so was always referred back. I believe he’d also made payments and then done chargebacks to his card at the bank as well to delay recovery action. Had a court order issued which he didn’t care about, so we pursued his wife instead who was also liable but hadn’t given any indication she believed in this bullshit. Within two weeks of her being sent a date for committal court he’d paid the balance in full. I assume she’d given him a bollocking when the threat of her being sent to prison became real.

Fell down an internet hole about this freemen of the land bollocks the other week - hilariously batshit entertaining, however I would find them infuriating if I was tasked with trying to recoup payment of taxes. Some people are just too stupid to argue with.

Some people are just too stupid to argue with

Remember, you aren't allowed to say that any more. It's bullying and doesn't account for peoples feelings. After all, someones feeling that the freeman bollocks is true is surely a valid view ?

The problem with shouting down absolute bollocks is where it leads you. Places that a lot of people have spent a lot of money making sure you never do.

And here we are.

I'd probably make a lot of money if I were to bet on there being an almost 1:1 relationship between "believe in freeman bollocks" and anti vaxxers.

I feel sorry for the copper, this FOTL loon wastes so much of his time.

Haven’t there been business owners taking this very seriously citing it so they can open during lockdown and ending up with all sorts of fines and things?
Feels like an easy way to tank your business or end up bankrupt (or both).

@Sparklesocks

Haven’t there been business owners taking this very seriously citing it so they can open during lockdown and ending up with all sorts of fines and things? Feels like an easy way to tank your business or end up bankrupt (or both).

Yes, there's a daft hairdresser who's racking up loads of fines but keeps insisting on opening because Magnum and Carter.

Apparently there's a 'great reopening' happening at the end of the month where business owners will be sticking to the man by opening up and presumably getting fined.

As a public sector lawyer I come across these people regularly.... I would find it funny but they waste a huge amount of public resources.

Quite a few of our "repeat correspondents" ended up in prison eventually