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For there is always light. Thread #123 is belong to President Biden

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PerkingFaintly · 20/01/2021 19:14

"For there is always light
If only we're brave enough to see it
If only we're brave enough to be it."

— Amanda Gorman, 20 Jan 2021, inauguration of President Joe R Biden

Moving on from the Trump threads, last one here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4141056-Its-officially-time-to-say-ta-ta-to-Trump-its-inauguration-day-trump-122

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/01/2021 14:57

By the way, has anyone else noticed that people who are one-issue fanatics are always (not just sometimes) very boring? They bang on and on and on saying the same thing over and over again, and never notice when a conversation has moved away from whatever is their pet King Charles's head.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 21/01/2021 14:59

In my state we're starting to give up on the federal CDC recommended vaccine rollout program via CVS and Walgreens, and instead starting to distribute them via independent pharmacies.

It's becoming clear that the states that have been more successful in rolling out vaccines are those that have ignored the federal program and gone their own route, eg West Virginia.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 14:59

😁🐿

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 15:00

Ah yes
Ethics
I remember them

RedToothBrush · 21/01/2021 15:00

@cyclingmad

Amazing you eveb defend Biden and those who were in tears when he was inaugurated. And now he is removing womens rights and you still defend him.

Shame on you!

You know, I don't agree with all politicians and what they believe and are trying to do. It would be unhealthy if I did tbh. It is right and liberal to choose to disagree.

As Biden himself said during his inauguration speech. It wasn't about voting for the candidate but about ultimately democracy in the end. Even Pence acknowledged that in his own way even though he clearly isn't a Democrat.

Woman's Rights were and would have been eroded under Trump in different ways. Under Biden they are suffering in different ways.

HOWEVER in supporting Biden you are crucially supporting the institutions and principles which allow dissent and to ultimately in time argue the case, once again, for women's rights. That we have to do this, is something that is outrageous and frustrating, however there is the ability to.

And I do think that when the Executive Order is tested in the court, which it will be - either for gross medical negligance or for being effectively unconstitutional that things will shift. Especially if the ground work for that is laid in the rest of the world.

Biden isn't a saint. There are definitely massive issues with areas of Democratic Policy and have been for years. However its the best option and the alternative would have been the rest of authoritarianism and mass exploitation and abuses of rights on a whole different level.

I cried with relief (when Harris not Biden) was sworn in, because that meant that future isn't happening any time soon, and the focus can be on other issues which are costing lives right now and gives hope that things will work out in time.

If that brings me shame then so be it. I, however, think it means that I can see past one issue politics and past personalities to the whole picture and I understand what was at stake.

If Trump had been pro-democracy, not racist, not a conman and crook, not a man who incites violence and had been genuinely pro-women's rights, then maybe you'd have had a point. However Trump was Trump so you don't and you are just looking for cheap little 'gotchas' to take a swipe so you can 'win' on the internet.

And thats how we ended up with QAnon and fake news in the first place, because people were so flaming one dimensional.

Roussette · 21/01/2021 15:01

We are one day in, no one is blaming anyone for anything.

Let;s look at facts though. Biden's team has had no peaceful transition, no meetings with previous incumbents of Trump's administration, no handover, no passing on of important information and documents, and in fact Trump's administration were delibertely obstructive in all sorts of ways. Even at the end of last year everything was blocked.
That is undisputed.

So the Biden Administration have a lot of work to do.

RedToothBrush · 21/01/2021 15:03

Ethics.

God I miss those things.

They underpin ALL rights strangely enough.

DuncinToffee · 21/01/2021 15:04

Meanwhile the arrests continue

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/20/us/proud-boys-joseph-biggs-federal-charges

Roussette · 21/01/2021 15:05

You know, I don't agree with all politicians and what they believe and are trying to do. It would be unhealthy if I did tbh. It is right and liberal to choose to disagree

^^ This with knobs on.

Love the whole post actually Red

SanFranBear · 21/01/2021 15:05

Thanks for all your responses re the EOs and I think your very early point, Merry, about him having to also keep his campaign promises is a very good one. As well as the one about bringing the US back onto the global stage and doing stuff which should have happened months back. Thank you and agree completely.

I just think this will fan the flames of those diehard Trumpists who all will be looking on and thinking, as we all did, he's only doing this because it was a Trump idea..

ListeningQuietly · 21/01/2021 15:07

RTB
You are right.
Biden is not perfect and his pandering to aspects of his party is unwelcome
BUT
For the next two years he holds all three Branches.

His team have lined up people for pretty much ALL the needed posts
including some that have been empty since Obama left
and are focusing on the BIG issues

  • COVID
  • Climate Change
  • racial calm
  • the economy
all else is secondary for now
Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 15:08

I think just having someone who can formulate a coherent sentence is quite refreshing tbh.

Roussette · 21/01/2021 15:11

Being a 'Proud Boy' is not good for your health. Joseph Biggs, the leader of them, just arrested... He is 37 years old and easily looks 67 Shock
That's what hate does for you

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 15:13

I was thinking the same!!!
A lot of them have very few teeth....

pointythings · 21/01/2021 15:13

@ListeningQuietly

RTB You are right. Biden is not perfect and his pandering to aspects of his party is unwelcome BUT For the next two years he holds all three Branches.

His team have lined up people for pretty much ALL the needed posts
including some that have been empty since Obama left
and are focusing on the BIG issues

  • COVID
  • Climate Change
  • racial calm
  • the economy
all else is secondary for now
This with knobs on. Also decency, courtesy and speaking actual English instead of Original Frontier Gibberish. Biden is no great orator but he is by God a vast improvement on Trump. And I don't see Jen Psaki going on about 'alternative facts'.

Shrillharridan I think we need a bigger squirrel. How about this one?

For there is always light. Thread #123 is belong to President Biden
RedToothBrush · 21/01/2021 15:15

Biden needs to think of it as a 2 year term. And then see where he's at. Anything else is a bonus. There are no guarentees come the midterms.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 15:15

Oh!
Nice squirrel! 😁😁😁

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 15:16

KLAXON
No one* is perfect.
Rather staggering one needs to qualify that, really

*except Rob Lowe

Mittens030869 · 21/01/2021 15:18

The relief on this thread isn't because any of us are Biden fans. I'm certainly not. I didn't really know anything about him until he stood for election; he was just Obama's VP. I think he's handled himself well, particularly during that period when Trump was refusing to concede. I also really do like what I've seen of Kamala Harris.

The inauguration was a relief because democracy won out in the end. We had the previous President attempt a political coup because he couldn't accept that he'd lost the election. That really is all that matters to me. That and the fact that Biden appears to be prioritising the pandemic, which globally has to be our priority. How successful he turns out to be, there's obviously no way of knowing.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 21/01/2021 15:20

Indeed Mittens. In the primaries I voted for Elizabeth Warren over Joe Biden. I'm not sure she could have beaten Trump though.

As it turns out, I think Biden is the right person for the job in this time. He's experienced and competent, and what we need right now is experience and competence.

pointythings · 21/01/2021 15:23

Mittens nailed it.

It's disingenuous at best to state that an incoming president has to be saintly and 100% perfect, because otherwise he is just as bad as the previous incumbent, no matter what dreadful things that pervious incumbent has done.

It's like saying shoplifting and murder are crimes of equal gravity and should both be punishable by death.

Roussette · 21/01/2021 15:25

And the fact there was no transition period to speak of means that at least Biden knows his way round having been there before, albeit in VP capacity.

OHolyTights · 21/01/2021 15:27

Sure, Joe Biden and his team haven't been perfect over the years and they will no doubt make mistakes during the next four years but, for the love of God, they are far, far, far - many fars - better than the last lot.

And America - and the world - seems a better place for that.

There is a slight spring in the step, a bit of weight off the shoulders, a daring to hope - even in this deadly global pandemic.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 15:28

Although compared to trump biden seems like mother teresa !

PerkingFaintly · 21/01/2021 15:29

I'm sorry, Shrillharridan. I've managed to remain largely polite during the majority of these threads, but now...

YOU HAVE CROSSED A LINE! Shock

I may have to mutter imprecations and make myself a strong cup of tea!

^^ Lemon & Lymanite

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