Do you think giving birth in Belfast will become a thing post Brexit?

[Lalaloveyou2020]

Since 2005 a person born on the island of Ireland (including NI) to Irish or British parents has a right to apply for Irish citizenship/a passport. I read an article in the FT yesterday discussing the obstacles UK business travellers would face in a post Brexit word, which ended with this:

"There’s one group that will do well out of this: UK-based EU passport holders, who will be able to advertise themselves, both to British employers and to EU service buyers, as being able to travel unhindered around the bloc. Best-placed of all will be Irish passport holders, who can not only travel in the EU, but live and work freely in the UK too. Cecil Rhodes, the British mining magnate and colonialist, once described being English as “the greatest prize in the lottery of life”. Post-Brexit, it’s the Irish who hold the winning ticket."

If you really really wanted your child to have access to the EU in the future, would you be willing to move to Belfast for your birth so that your child could then claim an Irish Passport?

This is meant as a light-hearted discussion more than anything else, though if anyone from NI could chime in on how difficult it would actually be to do, please do so! Reason for going to Northern Ireland over the Republic is the access to the NHS and an automatic right to be both Irish and British at birth.

[quote Emeraldshamrock]@Lalaloveyou2020 I get it but you need habitual residence you can't arrive from London to Ireland to give birth to an Irish citizen.[/quote]
No, you don't. According to www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html

If either of your parents was an Irish or UK citizen at the time of your birth, you are automatically an Irish citizen if you were born in Ireland. If you were born in Northern Ireland to an Irish or British parent, you can choose to be an Irish citizen.

No it wouldn’t have been easy. Recovering from birth whilst caring for a newborn isn’t easy without family support. Also, the journey to NI would be stressful, and the cost of moving would soon run into several thousand pounds.

I think the relatively wealthy might travel to give birth, but many people wouldn’t be able to afford it. Others won’t be able to travel for medical reasons. The super-rich wouldn’t need to do it, as they can buy most opportunities, anyway. So, I don’t think the hordes will be descending on Northern Ireland.

@Emeraldshamrock

Marmunia1975

I'm from NI (consider myself British!) and still live there. I have an Irish passport just because I can!

You might consider yourself British but I can guarantee no one else does
They definitely would consider the poster British up north the protestant community are more British than the Queen with their flegs and their clothing.
Which makes in even more annoying how much they hate fenians with a passion but happily bin their little blue book.
Dying to see if Arlene bins her blue or opts for an EU passport.

You would be surprised. I'm from a Unionist background and I've very much moved away from any ideas of being British that were drummed into me as a child. The age of the twelfth and wee grannies having tea towels with the Queen on is coming to an end. I think many people are realising just what the Brits have done to this country and it has become plain how willing the British government are to screw us over. When the Union does eventually collapse, it'll be the Tories we will all have to thank. Having said that, our political system needs a complete overhaul before any of that will happen, our political parties aren't fit for purpose.

You might consider yourself British but I can guarantee no one else does.

It doesn't matter what you think. PP is from NI and considers herself British and thus is British, just as my DH and his family are from NI and consider themselves Irish and so are Irish.

It's not a matter of opinion and it's pretty offensive to suggest it is.

I really doubt it. Im sure NI has some nice areas but it's not really seem as an ideal place to move to/
Visit.

I said I hope Brexit makes GB look ridiculous

I should have expanded that, Iook ridiculous in a way that the vast number of underinformed/overconfident/plain stupid voters can not fail to notice and cannot excuse or blame others for.

Covid is a complete pain, it will allow politicians and supporters to get themselves off the hook for the stupidity of Brexit.

I'm so angry about risking the fragile peace for jingoistic nonsense.

100% with you. But honestly, the people who voted for it will never acknowledge how ridiculous it is. They will look for anyone to blame it on - the Remainers for not ‘getting behind it’, the EU for being ‘spiteful’, Covid... the list goes on.

Classic example is the fishing debacle. Brexit has caused absolute chaos for the fishing industry - an industry that overwhelmingly voted to leave in the face of clear warnings about how risky it was for them. They’re furious now - but it’s the EU’s fault, it’s the government’s fault, it’s anything rather than admitting Brexit was a shit idea.

@changedmynamelol

I really doubt it. Im sure NI has some nice areas but it's not really seem as an ideal place to move to/ Visit.

No wonder you changed your name (lol) to post that.

@changedmynamelol

I really doubt it. Im sure NI has some nice areas but it's not really seem as an ideal place to move to/ Visit.

And long may that continue. If everyone realises what a fabulous place this is to live it'll change overnight.

umpteennamechanges

I don’t know you, I’m sure you personally haven’t screwed me or Ireland over.
But Britain and a great many British people have. I didn’t say all, I said “British people”.

Is it abuse to want to be transferred from one CCG to another? Wouldn’t the funding follow? But, if not, I’d have been happy to go private. It would have been a stretch financially, but worth it.

Where are you delivering privately in NI?

@changedmynamelol

Please, please don't visit. You're right. It's rubbish here. Awful. Nothing to see. Nothing to do. Dreadful. Stick to Skeggy, poppet.

That's a bit simplistic, especially when that "foreign power" is actually the same country, and at least half of the "invaded" choose to align themselves by identifying as that "foreign power". NI is part of the UK, you can't really call other people in the UK "people of a foreign power" and leave it at that

You make me sick.

I’m N.Irish and totally agree with the angered N.Irish citizens on here. But if it makes you feel any better, I’m now living in England and have had two caesareans here at the English colonialists’ expense!

Gwan ya girl ya.

Make it a third.

I have not read the whole thread, but DH and I (with DS) moved to ROI in March 2020 (none of us had any prior connection with Ireland at all) to start the process of working towards Irish (i.e. EU) citizenship (we will be eligible to apply after 5 years). This was purely because of Brexit. We made the decision on 1 February after we realised it had actually happened and could not be averted. My DS will not be stripped of his EU citizenship any longer than necessary...

And long may that continue. grin If everyone realises what a fabulous place this is to live it'll change overnight.

Many years ago, a colleague - of Indian descent - had to visit Northern Ireland to deliver some training on our software. When he returned, he could not stop saying what a marvellous place it was, and how everyone he met was so nice and friendly. He should have recorded a tourist advert.

@BlackBucketOfCheese

It's so shockingly tone deaf. The duel citizenship agreement is coated in blood. It was one of the many compromises made under good Friday. The suggestion of manipulating that so your kids can work summers in Malaga in 18 years shows such a deep ignorance

This all day long.
The ignorance and the arrogance of many British people to behave this way regarding and issue that has impacted and torn apart so many lives on the island of Ireland is absolutely disgusting.
Imperialism runs deep.

Or, we have to move on from the past.

@Mistlewoeandwhine

I’m N.Irish and totally agree with the angered N.Irish citizens on here. But if it makes you feel any better, I’m now living in England and have had two caesareans here at the English colonialists’ expense!

@theDudesmummy how do you find it here? Are you planning to stay long term?

@ReallySpicyCurry

Gwan ya girl ya.

Make it a third.

😁 I can’t. I’m nearly 50 😁😁

@JaneJeffer absolutely love it here and planning to stay forever (we are building a house). I can think of no better place to have been throughout the past year of lockdown and restrictions than the far west of Ireland.

No wonder you changed your name (lol) to post that.

I think you need to save your loathing for the English ruling class TBH.

Do we balls.

And I don’t loathe every English person but I loathe the deep routed way people abuse Ireland (and try to get out of it by citing ancestry) and the people who live there, either with direct abuse or abusing our resources.

That's great @theDudesmummy. I realiseded I sound very nosy after I posted but I'm sure you're getting used to that by now