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Is it appropriate to do this

69 replies

Wouldthisbeok · 16/01/2021 11:41

DD is in year 11. Would it be appropriate to get her to do past papers and send it to the teachers so they have evidence of her ability?
Yabu- yes
Yanbu- no

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Wouldthisbeok · 16/01/2021 11:45

Thanks for the votes I’m just concerned it might be seen as strange as I don’t know anyone else doing this

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Wouldthisbeok · 16/01/2021 11:48

Maybe it would be good to hear from some teachers?

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chubbybunnyuk · 16/01/2021 11:48

I don't know... how is the teacher to know that she didn't cheat on the papers/ take longer than the allocated time, have help from someone else in the family?

As a teacher, I think I would ignore it and use my own judgement and knowledge of the pupil.

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 11:49

You can ask the school how they are assessing students, that’s appropriate. But you can’t expect teachers to mark work they haven’t set and it could be counted productive if she hasn’t been taught exam technique and consequently doesn’t really demonstrate her ability by attempting the past papers. Also, the teachers might be planning to set them anyway and if they do, will prepare students to do their best. Taking it upon yourself would be pointless.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 16/01/2021 11:50

Your OP is a tad brief.

Why do you think it's necessary? Has she moved schools or something?

RJnomore1 · 16/01/2021 11:50

I don’t think they would use it so I voted yabu (although I understand your thinking). They should have some standardised way of assessing so that it’s fair on all the kids and not just the ones with parents who are most engaged?

Wouldthisbeok · 16/01/2021 11:51

Thanks for the responses I’m really on the fence I just want the best for DD but I am obviously mindful of being appropriate and respectful

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HasaDigaEebowai · 16/01/2021 11:51

They will potentially be annoyed if she's done the past papers at home if they were planning on using them as assessments at school. That said, most parents I know at DS's school have been printing off the papers for practice (DS's school do iGCSEs and so his exams are still happening)

Wouldthisbeok · 16/01/2021 11:52

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants

Your OP is a tad brief.

Why do you think it's necessary? Has she moved schools or something?

No she hasn’t moved schools but she missed a lot of time last term with isolations and the mocks were a bit of a mess in how they were carried out.
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LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 11:52

I honestly don’t think it would be best for your daughter. Students need proper preparation to take exams. Teaching exam skills is a major part of Y11. Giving a student a bunch of past papers and telling them to have a go really wouldn’t help.

Hotelhelp · 16/01/2021 11:53

YABVU to expect a teacher to mark work they’ve not set. Quite entitled.

Workyticket · 16/01/2021 11:54

inappropriate and won't count for anyone

If i set a paper I read the mark scheme, do the paper myself and highlight things I predict my classes will struggle with.

Once I've marked 3 papers the answers are in my head and subsequent papers will take me 5 minutes each to mark

Students printing one random paper would take me 45 minutes plus per paper to mark (working out answers, responding to errors)

No ta.

Puffalicious · 16/01/2021 11:55

I'm in Scotland and a teacher. We are not allowed to have assessments which count as evidence done from home. These papers are not allowed to be in the public domain- obviously so that pupils don't then have access to the answer papers/ people helping them or doing it for them. It would be completely useless as official evidence.

Of course, past papers are great

Wouldthisbeok · 16/01/2021 11:56

Just to be clear the yabu vote meant it was appropriate I’m not sure all PP have got that

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Puffalicious · 16/01/2021 11:58

Hit too soon.

Of course, past papers are great for practise so when an assessment is set (in school conditions) your DD will be ready.

My DS is sitting 5 Highers this year (A level Equivalent) so I know where you're coming from: we all worry. Her teachers will set what she needs but she is always free to do extra past papers too.

SpiderGwen · 16/01/2021 11:58

Not appropriate at all.

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 11:58

No, OP, I don’t think people got that at all! I voted YABU as in you would be unreasonable to send in past papers. I would think most people would assume Yanbu to mean you wouldn’t be unreasonable to do this and YABU to mean it is an unreasonable course of action.

SpiderGwen · 16/01/2021 11:59

Also, your options are counter intuitive.

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 12:00

Yes, I have reread the op and seen that you’ve put what YABU and Yanbu mean but it really doesn’t make sense!

HelloThereMeHearties · 16/01/2021 12:01

I voted YABU, because I think you are, but then realised that that was approving you. So I changed the vote.

How very rude - "Teacher, I don't think you're capable of assessing my DD yourself, so I've set her and exam for you to mark in your own time because you're obviously incapable of using your own skill" Hmm

Puffalicious · 16/01/2021 12:07

Sorry, I also meant past papers that she then downloads the marking scheme for and marks herself/ peer marking with a friend via email. Do NOT expect her teacher to mark them, we're up to our eyeballs with remote learning!

Puffalicious · 16/01/2021 12:09

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=482290826110591

Theo1756 · 16/01/2021 12:09

Providing you know the content, past papers are one of many excellent ways to prepare for exams. But if you haven’t been given much exam practice up until now they might be a bit daunting. Another brilliant way to prepare is to go through the answers together and discuss how to answer the question fully and efficiently. All exam boards provide specimen answers. It is completely unreasonable to expect your teacher to Mark your exams for you if they haven’t set them to be completed. You may not need to sit formal exams this year but it’s good practice for further exams that you will face.

yearinyearout · 16/01/2021 12:13

Giving a student a bunch of past papers and telling them to have a go really wouldn’t help.

The most successful student I know did tons of past paper practice, so I'm not sure I agree with that. Obviously they need some guidance from school about how to approach exam papers, but past papers can be really useful.

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 12:19

Yes yearin, my successful students did lots of exam practice but they were prepared for it. Just pulling them off the internet without that preparation wouldn’t have helped them. I taught them explicitly how to answer exam questions; even my brightest students couldn’t have just had a crack at it without that. By this stage in Y11, the OP’s daughter might have had some of that teaching but if she missed a lot of last term due to isolations, I’d think this counter productive unless the teacher is focusing on exam skills in the remote learning. In which case, the teacher will set exam practice accordingly I’d think.

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