Is it appropriate to do this

[Wouldthisbeok]

DD is in year 11. Would it be appropriate to get her to do past papers and send it to the teachers so they have evidence of her ability?
Yabu- yes
Yanbu- no

@NoOneOwnsTheRainbow

As a teacher I would find this really helpful to gague where the child is at if they've missed a lot of school (e.g. because the school has been closed). I'm surprised teachers aren't sending them out to all exam years.

We are. Appropriate ones of our choice so there's some standardisation.

I turn mine into Microsoft Forms so they can be done online.

@NoOneOwnsTheRainbow

As a teacher I would find this really helpful to gague where the child is at if they've missed a lot of school (e.g. because the school has been closed). I'm surprised teachers aren't sending them out to all exam years.

Are you a teacher?

Teachers of exam years will already be doing this.

I don’t understand, why do you think they need further evidence of her ability over what they already have and other students?

How will you convince them the papers were done properly and no cheating, Ie either via open book or you or someone else doing them for her?

Surely you don’t expect teachers to get her exam papers and say “oh, wow, great evidence, thanks”. You understand There is much more to understanding and validating a kids ability than sending some completed papers through and claiming she did them?

The teacher may not be receptive as they most likely won't believe your daughter completed the test under test conditions.

Instead I would email the teacher and outline what you have said here - you are worried DD's mock results are not reflective of her ability, how can we go about ensuring her grades are accurate as I feel that she has not had the opportunity to show her potential. Open a dialogue with the teacher, there is a far higher chance they will take you seriously if you ask their opinion/advice rather than just handing work you deem to be a better representation of DD's efforts.

If I were a secondary teacher at the moment, I'd be tempted to send an email to parents and students saying that I would not be marking any work that I hadn't set.

There's too much scope for insane, pushy parents to think they can get their children ahead by chaining them to a desk throughout lockdown. The pandemic and exam uncertainty is hard enough on students, without crazy alpha mummies making it worse. Teachers should be providing all the resources, practice materials and assessment tools they feel are necessary. There is such a thing as too much work.

@NoOneOwnsTheRainbow

As a teacher I would find this really helpful to gague where the child is at if they've missed a lot of school (e.g. because the school has been closed). I'm surprised teachers aren't sending them out to all exam years.

Do you mean “if you were a teacher”?

I have asked my partner who is an English teacher - he says it would probably be a waste of time to send to the teacher as it’s not likely they will be able to mark (imagine if all the kids did it sort of thing) and that they will make assessments based on the work they’re set and doing in live lessons and when they go back.

Your options are the wrong way round. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to support your DD working on some past papers as it’s good practice for her.

It would be unreasonable to send them to her teacher because only assessment work completed under strict exam conditions can be used as evidence. Past papers are available in the public domain and therefore can’t be used as assessment

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Though somewhat harsh, from the teachers' perspective this is how I would feel at receiving a completed exam from a student with the assurance the parents invigilated.

@NoOneOwnsTheRainbow
As a teacher I would find this really helpful to gague where the child is at if they've missed a lot of school (e.g. because the school has been closed). I'm surprised teachers aren't sending them out to all exam years.

You are so not a teacher 🤣🤣🤣

You could always give your dd some pointers for exam technique.

Such as in a 2 hour exam you get 1.2 minutes for each percentage point and, if there is a mark allocation printed on the paper for each question/part of a question she needs to be able to calculate how to work out how long to spend on each question, part of a question and stick to it.

Exams are very much a mark-grabbing exercise. I can remember failing a very important exam because I did the time calculation and panicked about one of the questions. I had 40% multiple choice and all the way through the multi choice I was worrying about this question. When I did it, my timing went completely. Fortunately, I failed by less than 5% so was able to resit just that one subject rather than redo the whole lot which would have been a nightmare.

Also, can you help her develop mind-mapping so that she can break down the question answer into all the relevant parts. If in an exam she does this on a separate sheet for each part of each question, if she doesn't manage to do her written answer then her 'mind-map' can function as a skeleton answer and she would still get marks.

Completely reasonable for a student to be doing past papers and self marking with the markscheme as part of their revision. Not just reasonable, expected if teacher sets “revision” as a homework. Asking teacher questions if they don’t understand where they went wrong on a question is also very welcome and will give the teacher some insight into the effort they are making, which they may be able to take into account for CAGs, but we don’t have details for those yet.

Sending in whole papers that the teacher hasn’t set, and have not been done under formal assessment conditions, and expecting that to influence the grade she gets is completely unreasonable...in terms of teacher workload and in understanding what constitutes fair, valid assessment.
Does that help.
You have not mentioned a specific subject but the website physicsandmathstutor.com have a brilliant selection of past paper questions and revision resources by topic for all the exam boards.They cover maths and all sciences, not just physics.

I agree with the majority here.

1. Doing past papers will help your daughter do well in the assessments the teacher sets.

1. Do not get the teacher involved at this stage they do not have time to mark your child’s extra work and it won’t count towards their final assessment of her (only ‘whole cohort’ work would be able to count).

Honestly I’d ignore it if a parent did this. How is the teacher supposed to know you haven’t helped her in some way? Past papers are fine to do, I remember them helping me at least feel more confident for my A levels. But if a parent sent them in and expected me to mark them and use it as some kind of assessment I would be like... no. That’s just not how it works, I can’t look at a piece of work a child does at home and base my opinion of their skills around it.

A girl in my class who is my lowest at maths has been submitting flawless long division this lockdown. I’m somehow not entirely sure that’s indicative of her ability.

Some schools will be using past papers for mock exam practice, later on in this academic year. But, you are free to obtain past papers yourself and let your child do them.

While you could ask your child's teacher to donate their time, it would be better for you to hire a tutor to grade the papers. It would be perfectly reasonable for your child's teacher to decline any such request; it falls outside their paid hours and actual job role.

Regardless of whether it's appropriate OP (it isn't) it would be completely pointless. The government haven't given out guidance yet around grades, there's still the chance of mini exams etc. The consultion hasn't even finished do rather than waste time doing past papers,some of which will be old specifications (or before 9-1 grading) ask how your daughter can fill gaps in her knowledge and work with her on that.

My vote does not count as you reversed the meaning. It would be inappropriate and disregarded. You are therefore being unreasonable.

I would get your DD to ask teachers for extra papers if she wants to practice. I do this with my exam classes and tell them I am happy to mark any extra work they do. This works because not many of then do! Given that the exams aren’t happening I really wouldn’t bother. I’m sure your child’s teachers will be aware of her ability.

As others have said, they won't take it because of potential cheating.

In dd's year a couple of the boys decided that it would be a good idea to do the last year's paper before the mocks-and memorise the answers, knowing that they would be used in the mocks.
Let's just say there was a teenie bit of a row, and they were told that if the mocks ended up being used then they couldn't be used for assessments.
At the time it seemed a little bit unnecessary to say that, they never use mocks do they... except that was last year, so it could have made a difference.

What wouldn't be unreasonable to do, would be get your dd, not you, she's presumably year 11 so needs to be taking responsibility herself, to ask the teacher if there are any exams that she can usefully do to practice.