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Wouldthisbeok · 2021-01-16T11:41:08+00:00

DD is in year 11. Would it be appropriate to get her to do past papers and send it to the teachers so they have evidence of her ability? Yabu- yes Yanbu- no

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 12:20

I taught English though; it might be quite different in other subjects.

Artesia · 16/01/2021 12:24

I'd say absolutely not- it would be a totally unreasonable thing to do. Setting aside the implication that the teachers don't know what they are doing or how to properly assess, there would also be no relative comparison with her peers. You can't effectively ask for your daughter to be assessed on different criteria to the rest of her cohort.

bearfood · 16/01/2021 12:30

No, they won't be counted and it will be a waste of her time. I'm a HoD in a core subject and can assure you that we want the best for each child too. If you want to help her get her reading widely and doing whatever the school has set. We are formulating plans according to DfE guidance and will be letting students and parents know as soon as we can what the arrangements will be.

cherrypie111 · 16/01/2021 12:34

I don't understand how it wouldn't be appropriate to be honest. Why do you think there would be an issue with doing that?

Chanandlerbong01 · 16/01/2021 12:36

I wouldn’t even look at them! I have no idea if you’ve cheated - if you got the paper you could get the mark scheme. I have to use my professional judgement and if they were similar to what I thought they wouldn’t make a difference to that, but if they were significantly different I would be sceptical and therefore wouldn’t feel comfortable using them.

I would also be pissed off if I had planned on using them with my classes and couldn’t now.

Artesia · 16/01/2021 12:39

@cherrypie111 Because the teacher has a whole class to assess, not just OP’s daughter, and needs to apply the same criteria to all of them? Because the teacher will have no idea what conditions the paper was completed under, or how much help might have been given? Because children of pushy parents shouldn’t benefit from extra assessment material not available to all? Because the teacher has enough to do without marking extra work s/he didn’t set?

TeaAndHobnob · 16/01/2021 12:41

I don't understand why you think that would be reasonable

You're giving the teacher extra work, but it's not work they've set, they don't know how your daughter completed it, if she had books to help her, or how long she took to do it, if she had the mark scheme to look at or did it in front of her computer.

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 12:43

Also cherry pie, it’s not appropriate because the department plan schemes of work and assessment. If someone unconnected to my work now just sent me something they thought I should be doing, it would be inappropriate. Imagine if all parents did this and teachers (who in secondary core subjects might teach 200 students each year) suddenly got sent a random piece of work from each of them, expecting it to be marked and used for final assessment? A piece of work that may not fit in at all with what they’re doing, that they might not have the mark scheme for? How could it be an appropriate thing to do?

cherrypie111 · 16/01/2021 12:44

@LegoPirateMonkey

Also cherry pie, it’s not appropriate because the department plan schemes of work and assessment. If someone unconnected to my work now just sent me something they thought I should be doing, it would be inappropriate. Imagine if all parents did this and teachers (who in secondary core subjects might teach 200 students each year) suddenly got sent a random piece of work from each of them, expecting it to be marked and used for final assessment? A piece of work that may not fit in at all with what they’re doing, that they might not have the mark scheme for? How could it be an appropriate thing to do?

Where did the op say she expected them to be marked?

cherrypie111 · 16/01/2021 12:45

[quote Artesia]@cherrypie111 Because the teacher has a whole class to assess, not just OP’s daughter, and needs to apply the same criteria to all of them? Because the teacher will have no idea what conditions the paper was completed under, or how much help might have been given? Because children of pushy parents shouldn’t benefit from extra assessment material not available to all? Because the teacher has enough to do without marking extra work s/he didn’t set?[/quote]
Again, where does it say the OP expects them to be marked

There I no harm getting her child to do them and sending them just in case is there.

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 12:45

She said she wants it to used as evidence of her daughter’s ability. How could the teacher use it as evidence if they didn’t mark it?

Dopo · 16/01/2021 12:48

You need to email the teacher.
Say You've had the great idea to set past papers as a way of showcasing your child and ask ifbthey take these into consideration.

Then if they agree do it.
Don't just email past paper exams to them. This isn't a showcase.

Workyticket · 16/01/2021 12:49

Dear Guiness Book of Records

Last night I beat the world record for writing out the digits of Pi from memory. I wrote 3 more than the last Record Holder.

Here they are. I've written them on the back of a Rice Crispies box. I didn't do it in the presence of one of your adjudicators but my Mam watched me and says she will vouch that I didn't cheat.

Please publish my name in the next Book of Records

Yours
Deluded

LegoPirateMonkey · 16/01/2021 12:51

And it could be harmful if the OP doesn’t know which exam board the school uses and gets her daughter to do the wrong papers - so, for example, I taught two different exam boards in my career and for English Literature there were different texts and poems. I would sometimes get over zealous students who were very confused because they had tried to do extra revision online and revised the wrong poem (by the same poet who appeared on both) and got a lot of contradictory and irrelevant information embed in their brain. I had to sort out the resulting confusion which wasted a lot of time.

Artesia · 16/01/2021 12:54

@cherrypie111 What use would they be unless the teacher spends time reviewing them?

Taxiparent · 16/01/2021 12:55

@Workyticket

Dear Guiness Book of Records

Last night I beat the world record for writing out the digits of Pi from memory. I wrote 3 more than the last Record Holder.

Here they are. I've written them on the back of a Rice Crispies box. I didn't do it in the presence of one of your adjudicators but my Mam watched me and says she will vouch that I didn't cheat.

Please publish my name in the next Book of Records

Yours
Deluded

This perfectly sums up your intentions.

Redlocks28 · 16/01/2021 12:58

No she hasn’t moved schools but she missed a lot of time last term with isolations and the mocks were a bit of a mess in how they were carried out.

Isn’t that the case for loads of other people as well?!

As a teacher, I would be pissed off you didn’t think I could assess my pupils properly. I would be pissed off that you were giving me additional marking to do. I’d probably be pissed off if I was intending on using the past papers as part of my revision plan and I would probably think this was such a strange thing to do, that I’d suspect ulterior motives and think you’d done the exam papers yourselves and it wasn’t her own work. I would probably then refer it to the HoD.

GreyWall · 16/01/2021 13:00

@Wouldthisbeok as a teacher we'd not use them as they all need the same evidence base, we're using mini exams now according to Gavla. The only benefit is that it would help her prep for those. I know I've not got time to look at them if they were sent through as most teachers, I might scan read bits at most.

Palavah · 16/01/2021 13:01

How do you know the teachers arent planning to use past papers as further mocks or revision content?

What are you expecting the teacher to do with the past papers if you send them in?

Has your daughter completed all the work actually set by the teacher?

OverTheRainbow88 · 16/01/2021 13:01

@cherrypie111

For them to be used as evidence of OPs DC ability they would have to be marked... so the implies the expectation of them being marked.

Brighterthansunflowers · 16/01/2021 13:03

Your vote options are really confusing as YABU to do this but apparently YABU in your voting means it’s appropriate to do it.

Do not do this. It’s totally inappropriate and entitled to expect the teacher to mark work they haven’t set. They will have their own way of assessing their students which should be fair to all of them. Mummy sending in a random paper paper that’s not been done in exam conditions isn’t part of that.

HarrietSchulenberg · 16/01/2021 13:03

The teacher will not be using them as evidence for a CAG, if that's what you're angling for. The teacher will not be marking them or looking at them at all unless you're at a private school and have a reputation for being One of Those Parents. Just follow school's actual guidance when it's available.

Love Taxiparent's analogy, spot on.

GreyWall · 16/01/2021 13:05

They would also be ignored as you'd be viewed as a helicopter parent who had either helped DD or actually done the work for her.

SpaceBlanket · 16/01/2021 13:09

Why not just have DD email the teacher to ask what she can do to improve her grade?

NoOneOwnsTheRainbow · 16/01/2021 13:30

As a teacher I would find this really helpful to gague where the child is at if they've missed a lot of school (e.g. because the school has been closed). I'm surprised teachers aren't sending them out to all exam years.