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Impeachment of Trump and Inauguration of Biden (#120)

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Roussette · 13/01/2021 07:40

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4130520-On-our-way-to-Bidens-Inauguration-Trump-119?watched=1&msgid=103593277#103593277

So fast moving. Here we go again....

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ludothedog · 13/01/2021 18:44

Dan Newhouse - was that expected?

Roussette · 13/01/2021 18:44

Wow. Another Republican from Washington has said he will vote to impeach

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DuncinToffee · 13/01/2021 18:51

Rep. Newhouse becomes the 6th Republican to support impeachment. His comments are met with resounding applause.

TheSilveryPussycat · 13/01/2021 18:58

Sorry, but I am loving Yvette Clarke's bright red suit and glittery red mask.

The system seems good for sharing out debating time fairly.

DuncinToffee · 13/01/2021 18:59

CNN
These are the Republicans who say they will vote for impeachment (so far):

Rep. Dan Newhouse of Washington
Rep. John Katko of New York
Rep. Jamie Herrera Beutler of Washington
Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan
Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming

NotaRealLawyer · 13/01/2021 19:00

So how many needed Duncin? Is it 11?

NotaRealLawyer · 13/01/2021 19:02

Did that just happen? Trump's sent a text to Jordan? Telling everyone to calm down? Confused

Lavanderrose · 13/01/2021 19:02

It’s being reported that several pro trump rioters have been reported as off duty police officers.

Janonomouse · 13/01/2021 19:03

So how many needed Duncin? Is it 11?
None are needed today. This vote is in the House and only a simple majority is needed (Dems are the majority in the House).

You're thinking of the Senate vote which will likely not happen until after Biden is inaugurated.

DGRossetti · 13/01/2021 19:05

@DuncinToffee

Rep. Newhouse becomes the 6th Republican to support impeachment. His comments are met with resounding applause.
If it turns out to be incredibly popular, is there a chance to get Trump to support his own impeachment ?
Roussette · 13/01/2021 19:06

NotARealLawyer no, it was a statement put out, I saw it on Twitter just minutes before

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DuncinToffee · 13/01/2021 19:06
Grin David Allen Green 'It is only seven days, what could possibly happen,' say Trump defenders who literally believe the world was created from nothing in the same amount of time.
NotaRealLawyer · 13/01/2021 19:07

Thanks Janonomouse, appreciate your help there.

NotaRealLawyer · 13/01/2021 19:09

I'll go back to lurking for a while, thanks everyone for your patience with me.Flowers

JamieLeesCurtains · 13/01/2021 19:09

@DuncinToffee

Grin David Allen Green 'It is only seven days, what could possibly happen,' say Trump defenders who literally believe the world was created from nothing in the same amount of time.
I normally loathe twitter these days, but that's quality 👏
DuncinToffee · 13/01/2021 19:09

@Janonomouse

So how many needed Duncin? Is it 11? None are needed today. This vote is in the House and only a simple majority is needed (Dems are the majority in the House).

You're thinking of the Senate vote which will likely not happen until after Biden is inaugurated.

Thanks for explaining, I also thought it was 17 for this vote
Roussette · 13/01/2021 19:10

NotARealLawyer
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mathanxiety · 13/01/2021 19:10

Frontline documentary that should be watched. It's just over 53 minutes but well worth the time.

Frontline is PBS documentary series.

Roussette · 13/01/2021 19:11

Is Jim Jordan banking his time so he can go on one almighty long rant?

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JamieLeesCurtains · 13/01/2021 19:13

It'll be fewer than 17 in the Senate vote if (and it's a big if) some Repblicans don't turn up, because as pp upthread pointed out, it's two-thirds of Members present required to vote for the motion.

But an aspiration of 17 seems sensible.

mathanxiety · 13/01/2021 19:23

www.wbez.org/stories/chicago-police-union-president-defends-those-who-stormed-us-capitol/6842fa80-3b83-4396-af05-a5f15f4ac740

Chicago Fraternal Order of Police president (this is the Chicago police union) statement after the insurrection:

“There was no arson, there was no burning of anything, there was no looting, there was very little destruction of property,” Catanzara told WBEZ in a Wednesday evening phone interview. “It was a bunch of pissed-off people that feel an election was stolen, somehow, some way.”

Catanzara echoed President Donald Trump’s oft-repeated false claims that Joe Biden stole the election. But the FOP leader admitted there is no proof.

“I don’t have any doubt that something shady happened in this election,” Catanzara said. “You’re not going to convince me that that many people voted for Joe Biden. Never for the rest of my life will you ever convince me of that. But, again, it still comes down to proof.”

“Evidence matters,” Catanzara said. “Until that appears, shame on them for what they did, but it was out of frustration. There’s no fights. There’s no, obviously, violence in this crowd. They pushed past security and made their way to the Senate chamber. Did they destroy anything when they were there? No.”

Video and photographs of the incident show that the rioters smashed windows of the Capitol and ransacked offices inside.

An armed stand-off took place at the door of the House chamber as the rioters derailed the election’s certification in an attempt to keep Trump in power. Police near the building confiscated guns, pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails, NPR reported.

Catanzara said Wednesday’s mayhem was “very different than what happened all across this country all summer long in Democratic-ran cities and nobody had a problem with that.”

The focus last summer, he said, was “blaming the police and the police’s response to the violence, looting and criminal behavior.”

“If the worst crime here is trespassing, so be it. But to call these people treasonous is beyond ridiculous and ignorant.”

Catanzara said he himself “wouldn’t have partaken in” the Capitol assault but he kept defending those who did.

“They’re individuals,” he said. “They get to do what they want. Again, they were voicing frustration. They’re entitled to voice their frustration. They clearly have been ignored and they’re still being ignored as if they’re lunatics and treasonous now, which is beyond stupid.

“It’s a whole side of the argument and, primarily, your profession is at the root of it,” Catanzara said, referring to news media, “basically championing Joe Biden the whole time.”

Catanzara was disciplined by the Chicago Police Department for posing in uniform in 2017 with a sign saying he supports his president. The union’s national level endorsed Trump’s election bids in both 2016 and 2020.

Catanzara has publicly feuded with Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot over a host of issues. This morning Lightfoot tweeted a response to his comments.

“This wasn’t ‘frustration.’ It was a violent insurrection. The comments by John Catanzara, Chicago FOP President, either demonstrate clear delusion or reckless disrespect for the rule of law—or both,” she wrote.

Catanzara also criticized the outgoing president for Wednesday’s mayhem: “I’ll be the first to say Trump deserves some responsibility for this. He could have handled this whole situation quite differently, but that’s for him to answer, not me.”

“Obviously it has to fall on his doorstep for what kinda happened … no doubt about it,” he said.

But Catanzara said the riot was getting blown out of proportion.

“It’s an inconvenience at this point, is all it is,” he said. “This is not some mass insurrection, coup attempt. They’re not destroying or burning down the fricking Capitol building. This hyperbole and this emotion that the media is spewing now, like this is some kind of end-of-times scenario, is ridiculous.”

Yet another demonstration of the far too close relationship between law enforcement and MAGA and what lies behind MAGA.

The fortress mentality and bedrock racism among police, amply illustrated by this buffoon, must be tackled.

news.wttw.com/2021/01/11/city-council-supermajority-urges-chicago-police-union-president-resign

Massive blowback from Chicago City Council, the Mayor, and even the National FOP president (too late for regrets there), labour leaders and religious leaders.

TheSilveryPussycat · 13/01/2021 19:33

Andrew Clyde's mask is ill fitting, it keeps sliding down...

TurquoiseBaubles · 13/01/2021 19:42

TheSilveryPussycat I noticed that. I also remember that in the debate on the 6th almost none of the republicans had properly fitted masks - it was possible to tell who was republican and who democrat by whether or not their masks actually stayed over their mouths and noses as they spoke Hmm

Gingaaarghpussy · 13/01/2021 19:51

Baaad bob good, showing his nose.

ludothedog · 13/01/2021 19:59

Brian Mast you're a dick. Sorry for not being more eloquent. Why do you need one of those criminals/seditionist to give evidence? Its gaslighting at its worst. We all know that Trump incited that crowd. Ridiculous