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Travelling for Work

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 18:37

Here’s a question from a work colleague. Her friend (different company) has been asked to travel for work. Could be classed as essential travel, so all legal and legit. It would involve driving to the airport and getting on a nine hour flight with Virgin (all passengers PCR tested, cabin air recycled every 2-3 minutes), all passengers masked. Business class, so fewer surrounding passengers. Two weeks immediate isolation on arrival, so no chance of passing it on at the other end. The destination has basically no Covid at all. She would be staying there for a month.

She has refused, and she is outraged that the company has asked her to travel, saying it is too high risk. She is saying that she is too worried of catching it and spreading it to go.

I think she hasn’t done her calculations correctly. She lives in London, is part of a support bubble with two people (who have also met other people and been out shopping etc as per the legal guidelines) and has met friends outside for walks (all within the law of course). Basically she has been and will continue to interact with people on a daily basis who have a 1 in 20 chance of being infected. For 30 days, when 29 of those could be zero risk.

What I have issue with is her estimation of risk. Surely over a month in London there is statistically a much greater chance of catching the virus, vs 11 hours of travel (two in the airport and 9 surrounded by PCR negative passengers wearing masks in the plane.) She’s vastly more likely to catch it and pass it on in a London supermarket. AIBU in thinking her estimation of risk is just factually incorrect, and she would be at much lower risk over time of catching and spreading it if she went?

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 19:44

No one has yet explained to me how the risk of catching and transmitting it in my scenario is higher than staying in london at the moment. It’s purely a numbers game. Risk wise the two aren’t even comparable...

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Sethy38 · 12/01/2021 19:44

* Isolation is not depressing in this instance- can’t clarify more than that, but it’s not believe me! *

She’s isolating OP. So no matter how great the beach is, amazing the restaurants are etc - she will be in her hotel room.

Do you get that?

Sethy38 · 12/01/2021 19:45

@SittingHereThinking1

No one has yet explained to me how the risk of catching and transmitting it in my scenario is higher than staying in london at the moment. It’s purely a numbers game. Risk wise the two aren’t even comparable...
She has control over her life in London. She’s in a routine.

The flight may need to land elsewhere, with very high numbers for example.

SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 19:48

She isn’t travelling alone and it won’t be depressing. But either way that’s beside the point. If that were the reason she’s saying no that’s one thing. But she’s saying she’s worried about the risk of catching/spreading. Which in very simple mathematical terms is lower in one option than The other.
Oh an for those who are asking whether travel essential. Yes. It’s actually covid / public health related. She’s part of a team. She won’t be sad or alone isolating. That’s not her concern anyway. The rest of the team are very happy to go. I have no stake in this. I’m a SAHM.

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 19:50

@Sethy38 no, you are making lots of incorrect assumptions in this instance. It will not be depressing. That’s not the bit she has the issue with. It’s the ‘risk of catching and spreading it’. Which I think is higher in london, purely mathematically.

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 19:52

@Sethy38 yes the control over her life is a good point. But my point is, it’s the illusion of control. Because unless you are being very strict And isolating (which I know from my mate she isn’t- the met the other day for a long walk which is how I know About all this) it’s just riskier here

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 19:52

Right sorry it’s been fun but have to go. Kids to put to bed

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notimagain · 12/01/2021 19:54

Isolation is not depressing in this instance- can’t clarify more than that, but it’s not believe me!

A 9 hour flight from London with Virgin to a "small island" kind of narrows down options to a v small number of what superficially at least would appear to be very nice places to be isolated if the weather is OK....Wink

I've had to fly during the pandemic, I know many people who still are still flying regularly as airline crew ( frankly they don't have the option of not flying) and given the procedures and the precautions around flying now, especially with UK airlines, I'd honestly happily rather take a long haul flight in a business class cabin than travel in and out of London, possibly to sit in an office everyday.

I do agree that the situation on the island might be merit a bit more research - As others have said the local Covid rate might in reality not be as advertised and hospital care might not be the same as the UK...I take it the employer will be making sure the health care abroad angle of this is covered and that her "in country" isolation is going to be done somewhere suitable..not a 1 star hotel where she has to nip out of the hotel to the 7 -11 to self cater Smile

SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 19:57

@notimagain I might be wrong about flight time. In fact I think I am. A quick google and I think it’s actually a shorter flight. Either way the question is the same

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happytoday73 · 12/01/2021 19:57

OP... People don't live their life only making statistically correct choices...
Ie never have children as statistically more likely to die in childbirth if you have children than if you don't,
never smoke, never take drugs
Don't live in London as statistically more knife crime? Pollution?

Its just not how life works

SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 19:59

As I side note I think I’m just jealous. I’m a SAHM to three teenagers and I’m going potty. Any excuse to get the hell out of dodge would be fine by me

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 20:00

@happytoday73 yes which is why I never asked the question “Should she go?” What I’m asking is are the grounds she’s refusing on reasonable or not

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thisismetrying · 12/01/2021 20:05

They're reasonable for her and I think she has the right to say no to international travel in a pandemic.

Sethy38 · 12/01/2021 20:10

[quote SittingHereThinking1]@Sethy38 no, you are making lots of incorrect assumptions in this instance. It will not be depressing. That’s not the bit she has the issue with. It’s the ‘risk of catching and spreading it’. Which I think is higher in london, purely mathematically.[/quote]
Isolating?
For some shrug

For me and many other depressing

Sethy38 · 12/01/2021 20:10

@SittingHereThinking1

As I side note I think I’m just jealous. I’m a SAHM to three teenagers and I’m going potty. Any excuse to get the hell out of dodge would be fine by me
Yes that occurred to me
anniegun · 12/01/2021 20:12

What does she do that makes this trip essential? The guidance says wfh if possible

SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 20:16

Public health. Covid related. Essential right now (part of a team)

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 20:16

Not possible to wfh.

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 20:17

Sorry brevity. Trying to answer and juggle bedtime

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SittingHereThinking1 · 12/01/2021 20:18

Could as far as I understand it help uncover info about how Covid works. So yes essential as it can be right now.

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Sethy38 · 12/01/2021 20:25

So she presumably understands the disease
And risk

Rather well if she’s in such an important and scientific position

notimagain · 12/01/2021 20:26

Business class flight then isolate in a good hotel I'd be off like a shot, for reasons previously stated.

Take IPad, laptop, load up with movies/books etc and the world is your oyster.

I guess worse case this might come down to what's in your friends contract, and if the contract says the employer can insist on the employee travelling for work purposes (and some contracts do) then I think (ready to be corrected) the ultimate fallback for her might be the provisions section 44 of the Employment rights Act 1996....but that's not without risk.

Cattitudes · 12/01/2021 20:29

What sort of teenagers do you have who need supervision of bedtime at 8pm when they aren't going into school in the morning? Mine will still be up for an hour or two but fortunately will eventually take themselves to bed.

Have no idea about your friend of a friend, maybe they just feel more in control at home, they could just click and collect and not see people in their bubble but on a plane they rely on everyone else and a test which might not show up everyone. Also what happens if the borders shut and they are stuck there or put on flights back with people who haven't completed quarantine.

peak2021 · 12/01/2021 20:54

Which part of Stay at Home is difficult to understand?

The work colleague's friend has made the correct decision.

notimagain · 12/01/2021 21:07

@peak2021

Which part of Stay at Home is difficult to understand?

The work colleague's friend has made the correct decision.

I gather from the OPs comment that the work involved here is " covid / public health related."

The decision may be right for the individual being discussed but we are all, everyone of us, are going to be utterly stuffed if everybody in that line of work decides to "Stay at Home".