To think teachers should be moved up vaccination list..

[Ltdannygreen]

I’m not a teacher just to clarify, but I can’t be the only one who think teachers should be a priority on the vaccination list, not just so kids can get back to school but many are currently working to teach the children of key workers who are on the frontline everyday who still pose a risk. I’m aware that elderly are important, but so are our teachers.

I couldn't tell whether it is nationally or just one hub.

Makes sense not to chuck it away.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz

I'm glad to see some SEN teachers are already being vaccinated.

I think they should be the exception because they work with children who may be vulnerable.

I want teachers to get it before me.i don't want teachers to get it before my 70+ parents unless they are ecv or vulnerable.

My kids aren't in school just now so their young teachers getting it aren't going to benefit us. My parents staying safe and not needing medical care is my top priority.

Sorry I know that sounds really harsh, but we need to stop the hospital admissions and the best way to do that is to vaccinatebthe elderly 1st.

But I do think non vulnerable teachers should be a higher priority than me!

Well it's not happening iny son's special school but hopefully soon ,and yes it makes sense not to waste it

A policeman being interviewed on the radio said they get a few people down to the centres at the end of the day to mop up left over vaccine which would otherwise be wasted. Such a good idea.

I suspect when we get down the the big currently 'non priority' group then we may see a bit more movement on whether some other professions need to go first in order to help the economy stay open and working.
Teachers and other critical/key workers may then be prioritised.

But for now we need to do what is best for society and making sure our hospitals aren't over run. And it is the elderly and most vulnerable that will be most likely needing hospital beds, and for elderly especially they can end up being in there for a long time. This then affects us all, because if we have a different non-covid illness or accident t]and need treatment we can't then access a hospital bed if it's already taken.

And yes, I assume it will be all teaching staff if they do put them in a higher group after the more vulnerable are vaccinated, rather than specifically just teachers.

I think teachers should be moved up the list. Expected to go in a poky classroom with 30 breathers, then another 30, then another 30 etc. Awful to make these individuals do this.

I work in schools. Of the MANY teacher I know who have had covid the majority who have been worst ill are ones who would be in priority list anyway ie older/underlying health.

A couple have been ill for months but not with life threatening type symptoms

You could argue the vaccine for them would stop sickness.

I think maybe after the up to age 50s done then teachers?

@Abraxan

And yes, I assume it will be all teaching staff if they do put them in a higher group after the more vulnerable are vaccinated, rather than specifically just teachers.

It would have to be all school staff. There was enough unrest in lockdown when non teaching staff had to go in and teaching didn't.

I agree with PP that once we've moved through the current priority groups, I've no issue with keyworkers and other public facing roles being prioritised above say, myself an office worker.

But that definitely shouldn't be above someone who is statistically more likely to get very ill or die than they are.

If it was discovered tomorrow that the vaccine actually prevents transmission of Covid, then I think it would make more sense to vaccinate those being exposed more, though not necessarily getting sicker, than others. But until we know it does help stop or slow transmission then it doesn't make any sense.

I like the idea of gps contacting local schools especially Sen schools for staff to have last minute vaccines that would otherwise go to waste. However i do believe the government have got the vaccine priority right. Elderly, vulnerable and frontline staff first.

And YY to using what would otherwise go to waste. No issue with that. You're not taking that away from someone more vulnerable that way, which you would be doing if you were moved up the list ahead of them.

@newstart1337

Its simples, we should vaccinate the people most likely to die first.

Why do teachers think they should jump the queue?

I don't think it is a teacher who started the thread. I'm a teacher. I'm not interested in elbowing anyone else out of the queue ahead of me, but I am curious to know why it is that my daughter's 22 year old, perfectly healthy friend who works in a large, well-ventilated, sparsely-populated back office for the nhs (and never sees sight nor sound of any patients) had her jab yesterday.

And hey, schools can stay "closed" (haha) for longer if you like.

Or in fact contacting police, bus drivers or shop workers that work on the tills. Makes sense for any group like that to take any spare vaccines at the end of the day,

And hey, schools can stay "closed" (haha) for longer if you like

Vaccinating teachers won't help schools reopen though, that's not why they are 'closed'... Reducing strain on the NHS by vaccinating the most vulnerable will be what causes them to reopen, not vaccinating the staff.

And I assume back office workers in the NHS getting jabs may come down to something like getting what would otherwise have gone to waste at the end of the day, although having said that, it's not just nurses and doctors in ICU that run the NHS. You also need office workers etc... In order to keep it going efficiently and keep the pressure off which is exactly the main focus of what we're trying to achieve right now.

I'm a teacher, and I think the vulnerable groups should go first for all the reasons stated above.

Having said that, I'm not sure why millions of NHS workers are being prioritised ahead of those vulnerable groups either. Many are not even frontline.

Should be

1. Vulnerable groups in age order as currently
2. At risk occupations with frontline NHS and care staff first.

I think that it is highly likely that teachers and also TAs (many of whom are caring for keyworker children and being paid an absolute pittance) will be near the top of the occupations list, purely because many businesses such as supermarkets can run without replacing staff off ill, even if queues are longer/staff have to work longer shifts/deliveries run late. If one teacher is off (in normal times) they need replacing as otherwise 30 kids have nobody to supervise them.

I'm not sure why millions of NHS workers are being prioritised ahead of those vulnerable groups either. Many are not even frontline

Because the NHS needs more than just frontline workers to keep going?

To pps, it's not just using up spare vaccine at the end of the day. NHS workers who wfh are getting appointments and being vaccinated ahead of over 80s, over 75s with multiple vulnerabilities etc.

@PuttyIn

I'm not sure why millions of NHS workers are being prioritised ahead of those vulnerable groups either. Many are not even frontline

Because the NHS needs more than just frontline workers to keep going?

Yes, but if one worker in finance is wfh, they're not spreading it to their team, are they? The whole system doesn't crash with isolated finance staff off sick at different times. You could make the same argument for the national grid - hospitals need electricity!

Teachers being vaccinated doesn’t stop the kids spreading it, unless the teachers fall into a vulnerable category I don’t think they should be a priority. The NHS staff being vaccinated is to protect the patients they’re caring for, not themselves. Ultimately, we will all get it.

Teachers would be much safer if people kept their kids at home and didn’t send them in as keyworker children (because they work in admin in a supermarket, one neighbour told me) and kept them off. But no one cares about that!

@napody

To pps, it's not just using up spare vaccine at the end of the day. NHS workers who wfh are getting appointments and being vaccinated ahead of over 80s, over 75s with multiple vulnerabilities etc.

Well then the only logic I imagine is that it's not just the doctor in ICU that keeps the NHS going. It's all the background workers too.

The main priority right now is reducing strain on the NHS. You do need the majority of NHS staff in order to do that, including admin etc... You can't run an efficient healthcare service without people in the background.

@napody

To pps, it's not just using up spare vaccine at the end of the day. NHS workers who wfh are getting appointments and being vaccinated ahead of over 80s, over 75s with multiple vulnerabilities etc.

I know of quite a few over 75’s who’ve been contacted by their GP when they have DNA’s to appointments or a surplus at the end of the day. It’s not some mad conspiracy not to vaccinate those most vulnerable. Sometimes it’s a matter of who can get down there quickly enough before the vaccine has to be thrown out etc.

Yes, but if one worker in finance is wfh, they're not spreading it to their team, are they? The whole system doesn't crash with isolated finance staff off sick at different times

To a system that is on its absolute knees, ensuring as few of their staff, even those not on the wards, as possible end up severely ill with Covid is obviously a priority.

This has been drawn up this way for a reason.