to think Derbyshire police need to read the LAW and understand that you can't fine people when they are not breaking it

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814

Surrounded by police, treated like a criminal for driving 5 miles to a beauty spot for a walk.

It is not illegal to drive to exercise.

Its clearly a stunt.

@infinitediamonds

Its clearly a stunt.

For what end?

To get the woman on TV and all over the media! There is a photo on the news shows of the two of them, allegedly at the reservoir, a distance apart walking in immaculate outfits holding their Starbucks. Who took the photo and if they were genuinely just going for a walk round a reservoir why the effort into their make up and outfits? Wants to be an influencer.

Frighteningly, I think a lot of people are perfectly ok with people being fined and prosecuted for behaviour that doesn't actually break the law as long as it's behaviour they don't approve of

Worrying isn't it? But not surprising - we see it on here all the time, Covid or not, with cries of "ban it!!" simply because someone doesn't like something

Again, nobody's suggesting taking silly risks, but police making things up according to taste is hardly any better and sets an appalling precedent

@infinitediamonds

To get the woman on TV and all over the media! There is a photo on the news shows of the two of them, allegedly at the reservoir, a distance apart walking in immaculate outfits holding their Starbucks. Who took the photo and if they were genuinely just going for a walk round a reservoir why the effort into their make up and outfits? Wants to be an influencer.

You're so right. They obviously have powers to infiltrate the minds of the officers, to incite them to be heavy handed, all so they could get Instagram likes.

Why do some women have such a problem with other women who are attractive? Must we look like shot when we go walking. I put make up on for a walk for no other reason than to try and feel normal again

I've tried to wade through this thread but can't see the answers to my questions:

1. Did they travel there in one car or two?
2. Were they the only people fined?
3. In relation to (2), were the police telling people to go home, and were they fined because they argued and/or refused to go home?

I'm in Ireland. We can only go more than 5 km if travelling for essential work, education, medical assistance or essential food. It used to be 2k. Having a set distance makes it very clear.

This has just been posted.

I live in the adjoining village (my house is probably three miles away) and people from our village were being fined today for visiting this spot. Once you've done the village circuit once you've done it a thousand times. If you live in a town the guidelines say you can have the run of the place so why not a little bit of cross-village walking?

I think posters dissecting the intentions of the two women are entirely missing the point.

It doesn't matter that they were pretty, or went to Starbucks, or found a way to have a picture taken.

It wouldn't matter if they went do to cartwheels instead of walks

It wouldn't matter if they turned up for the walk wearing bikinis

It wouldn't matter in fact if they were Instagram influencers going on a photo shoot to tart up their feed.

It wouldn't matter if they were the two worst women in the history of the world.

They didn't break ANY laws or breach guidance.

What actually matters is the police conduct. the heavy handed approach that led to them picking on two easy targets - wether you think they should have had shit clothes/coffee from home/no make up on - and making up their on laws in complete conviction with their roles and civic duty. Doing Something their force have had to admit they will stop doing because they're so wrong. That should alarm everybody. Not what the two women were wearing

@TurquoiseBaubles

I've tried to wade through this thread but can't see the answers to my questions:

1. Did they travel there in one car or two?
2. Were they the only people fined?
3. In relation to (2), were the police telling people to go home, and were they fined because they argued and/or refused to go home?

I'm in Ireland. We can only go more than 5 km if travelling for essential work, education, medical assistance or essential food. It used to be 2k. Having a set distance makes it very clear.

They travelled in separate cars. And even parked away from each other. They complied by the sounds of it and both got a fine.

What if you live more than 5km from school or work?

*confliction not conviction

Thanks JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

We can obviously go to essential work. But most places are completely closed, as all are schools (no places for essential workers, all children at home).

If stopped I can say I'm going to the supermarket, that's the only excuse for travelling outside the 5k. We are still allowed to choose our supermarket so I can go to the big Tesco 7 km away, I don't have to stick to the corner shop.

I can drive to take my dog for a walk to the river, for example. But only to this side of the river, the car park over the far side is more than 5 k away.

@JellyBabiesSaveLives

Bloody hell. They can’t fine someone for doing something that’s “not in the spirit of the lockdown”.

The law says you need a reasonable excuse to leave your home - if what they were doing was good enough to be outside their home then it’s good enough to be 5 miles away, because the law doesn’t include anything about travel or distances!

And that’s bollocks about a drink being a picnic. If a drink is a picnic then a beer is a substantial meal, isn’t it?

hah! Yup, your logic is sound.

Not unlawful is not necessarily the same as not wrong.

@TurquoiseBaubles that's really interesting that schools aren't even open to key worker children! I wonder if anyone has told the ridiculous number of MNers who are sending their kids in because they're a key worker who can WFH, their DH can also WFH but is "very busy", or their DH is a medic but they're a SAHM who's "very stressed@ that everyone in Ireland is getting by somehow with no schools open

Apologies - not new. It had only come up on my news feed and I hadn't realised the thread and got back page 19.

MPCC told the Derbyshire force something very similar when they overstepped the mark in the first lockdown. You'd think they'd still be able to remember their public embarrassment that time.

@Binglebong

This has just been posted.

So basically, the force is now admitting they got it wrong. Just like last time.

There were no schools or childcare open at all in the first lockdown JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows. Having said that, there is a good Covid Pandemic Payment here, so people take unpaid time off work (and hope their jobs are there to go back to).

Families where both parents are healthcare workers had it hardest; most worked opposite shifts.

All non-essential work is (and was back in March) closed. No open poundlands here, no click and collect. It's supermarkets (with non-food aisles closed), takeaways and pharmacies, deliveries from essential electrical/hardware and that's about it.

First lockdown was 2k from home. And most park, forest and beach car parks are closed so you can only walk from home, it's hard to drive and walk.

To get the woman on TV and all over the media! There is a photo on the news shows of the two of them, allegedly at the reservoir, a distance apart walking in immaculate outfits holding their Starbucks. Who took the photo and if they were genuinely just going for a walk round a reservoir why the effort into their make up and outfits? Wants to be an influencer.

You're jealous of 2 beautiful young women. How dare anyone try to look nice.

For it to accessible it has to be free... so the countryside is OK but the car park which is owned by a Ltd company (Severn Trent Water) is not.

Yes, it is. You don't have to pay to go into the car park, even by car. You only have to pay if you want to leave a car there. You are paying for car parking, not for access to the site.

[quote JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]@CostaDelCovid my SIL did call the police when her (now ex) boyfriend kicked her in her crotch as she was holding their 2yo DD during an argument and wouldn't hand her over. She fell into the stairgate at which point he grabbed their DD and left the house.

She and the police, texted him to say she had, and he came back because it turns out he'd hidden drugs in their kitchen cupboard.

They came, 2 female officers, and told her she was over-reacting, she should have handed her over to the her boyfriend as "she's his daughter too". They then told the (very good looking and charming) boyfriend that if he wanted her could take his DD to the other side of the country if he wanted and there's nothing SIL could do.

She left his after that but he used that threat of "I will take her, I'm allowed, those police said and there's nothing you can do" to abuse and manipulate the her for years. I can't tell you the hell she's been through.

Her story is not unusual for abused for women. In fact it's the norm.

So many of us don't really buy the "what about when you need the police line".[/quote]
Yes, I called the police when my abusive ex was harassing me (because my new partner was visiting) at my home for over an hour, and when they (2 men) came, one of them said "can't you just give him the kid?" (he wasn't supposed to be seeing our daughter that day, and she was an exclusively breastfed young baby he was not able or willing to look after alone anyway).

When he stole my house keys, I reported it and they interviewed both of us, but didn't record what I said accurately (which I didn't find out till years later, when the police report was included in family court documents, as they never gave me a copy of it at the time). They basically wrote the opposite of what I said, which apparently justified them taking no further action.

When I reported another incident, my answers to their questions triggered a MARAC, but apparently they never actually held the meeting (just as well he didn't kill me...).

Etc.

@rosiejaune

That is disgraceful and inexcusable.

Most police I've met have a real disdain for women who want to stand up to men. Ex BIL was very charming and apparently charmed the pants of the two female police officers and flirted, they were like putty in his hands.

This shouldn't be happening.

The fact some come on here to whine about how people aren't supportive of police is laughable - and in the same breath refuse to answer questions about why police are so shit

@infinitediamonds

To get the woman on TV and all over the media! There is a photo on the news shows of the two of them, allegedly at the reservoir, a distance apart walking in immaculate outfits holding their Starbucks. Who took the photo and if they were genuinely just going for a walk round a reservoir why the effort into their make up and outfits? Wants to be an influencer.

Yeah also "being surrounded by police" sounds much more dramatic than "pulled into a car park where there were a group of police already where"

[quote JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]@rosiejaune

That is disgraceful and inexcusable.

Most police I've met have a real disdain for women who want to stand up to men. Ex BIL was very charming and apparently charmed the pants of the two female police officers and flirted, they were like putty in his hands.

This shouldn't be happening.

The fact some come on here to whine about how people aren't supportive of police is laughable - and in the same breath refuse to answer questions about why police are so shit[/quote]
most police I've met have a real disdain for women who want to stand up to men. Ex BIL was very charming and apparently charmed the pants of the two female police officers and flirted, they were like putty in his hands.

I think you maybe need to stop believing every peice of nonsense your told...