Tax on goods from EU surely not correct?

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Husband has just had messages from DHL saying they will not deliver goods until £67 tax and import duty is paid. This is on clothing of £240. So 20% added. The items were ordered on 29 December so before Brexit exit.

Sister in law also ordered some goods from same company, also on 29 December, which were delivered yesterday but didn't have any tax to pay, think she may have spent less though.

AIBU that this is too much money? or is this just the way things are going to be post Brexit?

@Splann

Are you sure it's not a scam

Yup, Brexit is the biggest scam. Some fell for it hook line and sinker and we’ve all now got to pay the price

This.

Brexit always was a shit idea.

Brexit always was a shit idea.

But the ERG - that totally misnamed group - still want more of it.

Biden has the Senate
well when they kick the weirdos out Have you SEEN the pics of them in the Fail

sorry, wrong thread !

I had completely forgotten about Rockall OchonAgusOchonO It was a massive deal back in the 70s and I used to know all the words to that song (and many other rebel songs back before I was old enough to realise what rebel actually meant).

GoldfishParade and others, be very careful with Amazon.de at the moment. Check exactly where the goods are being dispatched from. I ordered some stuff from there before Christmas and it was dispatched from the UK. ds ordered something last week and has just received notice it was dispatched from the UK and is currently somewhere near Liverpool. He's waiting to see whether he will be charged extra. I think he will be.

You will pay 20% import tax but not VAT on the items.

@MrsMiaWallis

You will pay 20% import tax but not VAT on the items.

NO

It is Import VAT at 20% on standard rated goods
at 5% at lower rate goods
and zero on appropriate goods

and then Duty at the relevant rate

and clearance fees

Buying items worth £200 net of tax.

Pre-Brexit (tax goes to country of seller):
UK £240
Luxembourg £234
Germany, Cyprus £238
Belgium, Spain, Czechia, £242
Finland, Greece £248
Sweden, Denmark, Croatia £250
Hungary £254

Post-Brexit (tax goes to UK)
UK £240
All other countries £200 + £40 VAT
If the seller wants to rip you off or be less competitive they could charge you the local retail price.
eg. Sweden £250 + £50 VAT

More Brexshit winnings

@TurquoiseBaubles - be very careful with Amazon.de at the moment. Check exactly where the goods are being dispatched from.

How can you tell where it's being dispatched from?

I would hope that with brexit they will stop doing that. Not acceptable to buy from Germany and end up paying extra because they ship from a third country

Yes, this is Brexit Britain! Well done leavers!

@Peregrina

Surely paying VAT is a small price for Sovereignty, and making 100% of our laws instead of 85% and being able to have an immigration policy which keeps people out unless they have a lot of money and preferably a white skin?

This comment assumes that no Black, Asian or mixed race Britons voted Leave. (Untrue - many must have - and some I know did.)

It just repeats the old insult that all Leave voters are racist and that racism is their only possible motive for voting.

It also seems not to understand that European immigrants (the people who are supposedly being stopped from entering) are largely White and the people who immigrate to the UK from outside Europe are largely not white.

The rest of thread is interesting and informative - there clearly are costs associated with Brexit but there will also be gains - at least we must hope so.

It just repeats the old insult that all Leave voters are racist and that racism is their only possible motive for voting.

Imo it doesn't, it repeats the grounded accusation that plenty of leave voters are racist and for some that was a motivation for voting leave.

The racism of too many leave voters is well researched, evidenced and documented.

there clearly are costs associated with Brexit but there will also be gains - at least we must hope so.
No sign of the Gains on the horizon

It also seems not to understand that European immigrants (the people who are supposedly being stopped from entering) are largely White and the people who immigrate to the UK from outside Europe are largely not white.

I worked with a couple of women who gleefully told me they'd voted leave so the "brown skinned girls" would have to go home. I pointed out that said "girls" were Nepalese and therefore not from the EU, and also why on earth would losing half of our (already understaffed) work force be in any way positive
Unsurprisingly she couldn't answer.

@SomewhatBored

It is expensive. You see things, say, from the USA that look really cheap but when you add on tax and import charges, they cost more than buying in the UK would.

One of the many reasons I voted Remain as I used to like buying antiques from France and Germany. Not any more, though .

but when you add on tax and import charges, they cost more than buying in the UK would

Thats quite literally the point of it.

The racism of too many leave voters is well researched, evidenced and documented.

Quite. It's something that those Leavers who aren't racists have difficulty acknowledging, but it doesn't make it untrue.

@WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo

Exactly *@SomewhatBored*. I doubt most of the leavers I know actually know what Sovereignty means, but they definitely voted for it

Insulting others who have a different opinion to you does not make your argument more valid.

And no, I didn’t vote leave.

But anyway, this will be a Brexit bonus for the non racist BeLeavers - there will need to be more black and brown immigrants to do the jobs that Britons can't do.

But I digress, let's go back to the pleasure of paying more for things.

@WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo

It also seems not to understand that European immigrants (the people who are supposedly being stopped from entering) are largely White and the people who immigrate to the UK from outside Europe are largely not white.

I worked with a couple of women who gleefully told me they'd voted leave so the "brown skinned girls" would have to go home. I pointed out that said "girls" were Nepalese and therefore not from the EU, and also why on earth would losing half of our (already understaffed) work force be in any way positive
Unsurprisingly she couldn't answer.

Good grief, and she was OK with just openly admitting that?

@jcyclops

Buying items worth £200 net of tax.

Pre-Brexit (tax goes to country of seller):
UK £240
Luxembourg £234
Germany, Cyprus £238
Belgium, Spain, Czechia, £242
Finland, Greece £248
Sweden, Denmark, Croatia £250
Hungary £254

Post-Brexit (tax goes to UK)
UK £240
All other countries £200 + £40 VAT
If the seller wants to rip you off or be less competitive they could charge you the local retail price.
eg. Sweden £250 + £50 VAT

That is easier to understand. Sales between member states are charged VAT at the country of origin. Sales from a member state to a third country (the US for example, or now the UK) should not be charged VAT as they are for export from the single market and will receive the relevant sales tax on import to the destination. So far so straightforward.

The issue will come if a seller applies VAT to the product which will then be charged on import. The product would effectively have been taxed twice. A further issue is that unscrupulous sellers may wish to advertise the same price in the UK (excl VAT) as in the EU (incl VAT), the customer then being stung for the extra 20% on import and the seller has found an extra 20% profit.

However, HMRC appear to have thrown a spanner in the works and decided to insist that firms selling to the UK register for VAT here. This isn't strictly a Brexit issue as they have applied this to all countries of the world, despite it being a highly irregular and unusual practice.

@ListeningQuietly

there clearly are costs associated with Brexit but there will also be gains - at least we must hope so. No sign of the Gains on the horizon

How many vaccines has the EU scheme injected so far then? Germany's health minister had to go rogue and bypass the system to get theirs started. The French however appear to be opting for unity at all costs.

@StrangeLookingParasite yep :( I think she thought I'd agree with her. No idea why.

@Osirus is it insulting them when I know its true? I didn't know what it meant until recently either.

Sales from a member state to a third country (the US for example, or now the UK) should not be charged VAT as they are for export from the single market and will receive the relevant sales tax on import to the destination. So far so straightforward

Thank you.

@ListeningQuietly