Nhs worker friend refusing vaccine - future children

[Trying2611]

I feel like I am NBU but talking to my friend today who’s the same age as me 25, she works in a front facing NHS role and will soon be offered the vaccine, however she is saying she is going to refuse on the grounds that it may make her infertile not sure where she has heard this?

I said oh well you should think about getting pregnant now before your vaccine (joking ofcourse) and she said very angrily why do you think this is a joke it’s serious do you not care if you can’t have kids then she stormed off and won’t answer my calls AIBU or was she being ridiculous

@CakeRequired

Yes, I thought this. Just because you have a different opinion, you are not stupid.

That's not entirely true though. Flat earthers, for example. You can have a different opinion and be completely stupid.

That posters point is quite simple. She knows someone who refuses the vaccine for what it MIGHT do to her body. While doing things to her body that have been proven to reduce fertility. And she's a nurse, so you'd think she'd be more up to speed on these things.

That doesn’t make her stupid does it? It just means she doesn’t want but however she will be aware!

It’s called choice!

That doesn’t make her stupid does it? It just means she doesn’t want but however she will be aware!

It’s called choice!

It's also her choice to smoke multiple fags a day and eat a lot of cake. Both choices are more likely to have potentially reduced her infertility already. The vaccine, if it does that which isn't likely, is only adding to the damage she's spent years doing already. It is stupid, because it's a stupid argument. 'I don't know what it will do to my body', but you do know what fags and excessive food does so why are you still doing it?

I've had my dc and don't want anymore. I work in healthcare so will take the vaccine when offered. I think if I was in her position though I would be reluctant to do so without more concrete evidence that it definitely does not affect fertility.

You made a joke about it ?
Jesus
It hasn’t been tested yet on pregnant women
So she is right to have some concerns

@CakeRequired the point is it’s not down to OP or you. People decline all sorts such as blood transfusions it’s a bit silly but hey it’s up to the individual isn’t it. The person may change there mind at a later date.

Most people have a vice in life usually smoking, alcohol.. live and let be fgs.

@Chel098

As you said, it's silly, or rather stupid. It's her choice, doesn't make it a smart one.

[quote CakeRequired]@Chel098

As you said, it's silly, or rather stupid. It's her choice, doesn't make it a smart one.[/quote]
It doesn’t make someone not intelligent though like your trying to imply. Everybody has a right to decline medical care if they wish and thank goodness because people like you seem to want to force YOUR wishes on OTHERS.

Personally I think that’s worse. Don’t try and twist what I said.

I’ve seen many overweight nurses and doctors and they do their jobs perfectly fine.

Not read all the thread
I’m not anti vaccine
Not also a conspiracy theorist
However, having read about all current COVID vaccines from their own science research I won’t be giving this to my children. Not because I’m saying it will lead to infertility- but because no one has tested it for they, so they simply say unknown.
For me, that is simply not good enough
When it is tested and proved there are no adverse see impacts against at fertility I’ll reconsider.
I do t think children will be offered it dont way but if I was off child baring age I would not have it

All those who say it’s selfish not to take it, out of interest why?
We are told it doesnt stop you catching it. It doesn’t stop you transmitting it. What it does do is protect you from suffering serious symptoms which can be life threatening. If so , surely if you are concerned about COVID risks you need to take it to minimise your illness/symptoms rather than relying on me to get the vaccine which won’t stop you catching it anyway

We are told it doesnt stop you catching it. It doesn’t stop you transmitting it.

Not quite. We don’t know if it affects transmission yet. That will come with data.

@millymollymoomoo - ALOT of medicines, many common ones, are not tested on children or pregnant women for several reasons. They tend to be used off-licence because of the balance of available evidence.
I think in time it will be worth the companies’ time to invest in research in these specific groups to get the full licenses but you may be waiting a long time. In the meantime what is the risk to health and fertility in catching COVID?

you cant test it on children yet and theyre not being offered it anyway

Well statistically the risk to people under 50 with no health issues is minimal from COVID, even more minuscule for Under 18s so I don’t feel we need the vaccine, in the same way people under 50 aren’t generally offered, nor have a flu vaccine.

"As a front line NHS worker she has the choice not to be vaccinated but the NHS should also be able to have the choice to sack her for it 🤷‍♀️"

oh yes please frontline workers put your lives at risk daily in a pandemic but don't dare stop and put your own life first. Off with her head.

Disgusting comment @ivfbeenbusy

I got the vaccine at start of the week. Although they aren't giving the 2nd dose until 10 weeks later which further delays me TTC, but I have decided to hold off for that as I have another child who needs me and want to minimise any COVID risk.

@PurpleDaisies

I feel like with her job she can't be allowed to put others at risk

We don’t know that vaccines reduce transmission yet. Unvaccinated staff won’t behave in an different way to those who have been vaccinated. Everyone will still be wearing PPE.

If nhs workers are vaccinated they’re less likely to go off sick. Staff shortage is a major reason for the inability to use the Nightingale hospitals.

I feel like you should mind your own business. This vaccine is causing lots of judgement between people ! I currently work for nhs in a semi frontline position. I am currently ttc and the guidelines sent out say not to book if u are. I’m personally finding it very awkward having to justify to ppl why I’m not booking as I don’t feel like sharing that I am ttc. Maybe your friend is in a similar position. If you want the vaccine then u take it. If not mind your business

@MrsSugar exactly!!

@millymollymoomoo

All those who say it’s selfish not to take it, out of interest why? We are told it doesnt stop you catching it. It doesn’t stop you transmitting it. What it does do is protect you from suffering serious symptoms which can be life threatening. If so , surely if you are concerned about COVID risks you need to take it to minimise your illness/symptoms rather than relying on me to get the vaccine which won’t stop you catching it anyway

The difference is though those who are unsure about not having the vaccine.... are not on your case saying “why are you having the vaccine and it may not even work”. That is the BIG difference. All these people shouting down at others and there’s NO evidence to say weather the vaccine is effective yet.

I'm not currently planning on having more kids but I'm in my 30s and it would be nice to have 1 more before it is too late so this has been an eye opener